From: Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban@gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: 35885@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35885: 25.2; Few mistakes in Emacs Manual (+ proposals)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:24:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b74cb116-4f49-5c4b-fcf5-ac622c3ee4d8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o8n5xz9t.fsf@gnus.org>
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Alright, updated version of changes, without @verb.
NOTE: Based on TEXI files from emacs-27 branch, downloaded 19.08.2020.
* BASIC.TEXI
============
1. Apparently, pushing "C-x 8 ]" to the next page made "C-x 8" (the
same paragraph, above) split after "C-x", so another @w is needed.
2. (OPTIONAL) I removed @verb, but kept reorder of the words. As I
wrote in the original message:
I also moved examples to the end of part of the sentence, this
way we have: description followed by an example, instead of
example being in the middle of description.
Also, last example is split between lines, so I had to use @w.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- old/basic.texi 2020-08-20 17:59:31.446496400 +0200
+++ new/basic.texi 2020-08-20 18:17:59.289249300 +0200
@@ -112,7 +112,7 @@
@cindex curly quotes, inserting
@cindex curved quotes, inserting
A few common Unicode characters can be inserted via a command
-starting with @kbd{C-x 8}. For example, @kbd{C-x 8 [} inserts @t{‘}
+starting with @w{@kbd{C-x 8}}. For example, @kbd{C-x 8 [} inserts @t{‘}
which is Unicode code-point U+2018 @sc{left single quotation mark},
sometimes called a left single ``curved quote'' or ``curly quote''.
Similarly, @w{@kbd{C-x 8 ]}}, @kbd{C-x 8 @{} and @kbd{C-x 8 @}} insert the
@@ -147,10 +147,10 @@
In addition, in some contexts, if you type a quotation using grave
accent and apostrophe @kbd{`like this'}, it is converted to a form
-@t{‘like this’} using single quotation marks, even without @kbd{C-x 8}
-commands. Similarly, typing a quotation @kbd{``like this''} using
-double grave accent and apostrophe converts it to a form @t{“like
-this”} using double quotation marks. @xref{Quotation Marks}.
+using single quotation marks @t{‘like this’}, even without @kbd{C-x 8}
+commands. Similarly, typing a quotation using double grave accent and
+apostrophe @kbd{``like this''}, converts it to a form using double
+quotation marks @w{@t{“like this”}}. @xref{Quotation Marks}.
@node Moving Point
@section Changing the Location of Point
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
* DISPLAY.TEXI
==============
1. Changed @samp to @t, as far as I remember it's preferred for quotes.
2. Similarly, in (...), I changed @samp to @kbd. Although, this time
there is a page break after "(`", so @w around parens is needed.
But it moves "(` and ')" to the next page. If we want to keep it
on the same page, we have to include (inside @w) word "quotes",
i.e. "@w{quotes (@kbd{`} and @kbd{'})}".
3. If I didn't make mistake there should be ASCII quotes not curved
quotes, so I changed @t to @kbd.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- old/display.texi 2020-08-19 15:44:43.000000000 +0200
+++ new/display.texi 2020-08-20 18:53:25.061187600 +0200
@@ -1632,10 +1632,10 @@
@cindex curved quotes, and terminal capabilities
@cindex @code{homoglyph} face
-Emacs tries to determine if the curved quotes @samp{‘} and @samp{’}
+Emacs tries to determine if the curved quotes @t{‘} and @t{’}
can be displayed on the current display. By default, if this seems to
-be so, then Emacs will translate the @acronym{ASCII} quotes (@samp{`}
-and @samp{'}), when they appear in messages and help texts, to these
+be so, then Emacs will translate the @acronym{ASCII} quotes @w{(@kbd{`}
+and @kbd{'})}, when they appear in messages and help texts, to these
curved quotes. You can influence or inhibit this translation by
customizing the user option @code{text-quoting-style} (@pxref{Keys in
Documentation,,, elisp, The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual}).
@@ -1644,7 +1644,7 @@
known to look just like @acronym{ASCII} characters, they are shown
with the @code{homoglyph} face. Curved quotes that are known not to
be displayable are shown as their @acronym{ASCII} approximations
-@t{`}, @t{'}, and @t{"} with the @code{homoglyph} face.
+@kbd{`}, @kbd{'}, and @kbd{"} with the @code{homoglyph} face.
@node Cursor Display
@section Displaying the Cursor
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
* MODES.TEXI
============
Since, we are sticking to @kbd, and not using @verb, no changes in
this file.
* TEXT.TEXI
===========
1. Quotes are fixed, so we don't need FIXME note.
2. Changed @t to @kbd, because straight quotes are needed.
3. Changed `...' and ``...'' to ‘...’ and “...”, and put them inside
of @t, because it works now.
4. Quoting myself again:
Value of "electric-quote-chars" has so many @w, because:
A. To prevent splitting between lines, which happens;
B. ?‘ expands to ¿, so I had to prevent it (@w near ?’ ?“
?”, are unnecessary, but I put them anyway for consistency
and just in case something in the future change, i.e. for
safety).
As for splitting, with @w it is put in the next line alone,
perhaps it would look better with "is" in front of it, if yes -
"is" must be put inside @w.
5. Changed @t{"} to @kbd{"}, because we want "quotation mark".
6. Changed `` and '' to @t{“} and @t{”}, reason the same as in (3.).
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- old/text.texi 2020-08-19 15:45:20.000000000 +0200
+++ new/text.texi 2020-08-20 19:40:15.062523900 +0200
@@ -421,13 +421,12 @@
@cindex curved quotes
@cindex guillemets
@findex electric-quote-mode
-@c The funny quoting below is to make the printed version look
-@c correct. FIXME.
+
One common way to quote is the typewriter convention, which quotes
-using straight apostrophes @t{'like this'} or double-quotes @t{"like
+using straight apostrophes @kbd{'like this'} or double-quotes @kbd{"like
this"}. Another common way is the curved quote convention, which uses
-left and right single or double quotation marks `@t{like this}' or
-``@t{like this}''@footnote{
+left and right single or double quotation marks @t{‘like this’} or
+@t{“like this”}@footnote{
The curved single quote characters are U+2018 @sc{left single quotation
mark} and U+2019 @sc{right single quotation mark}; the curved double quotes
are U+201C @sc{left double quotation mark} and U+201D @sc{right double
@@ -445,7 +444,7 @@
@code{electric-quote-chars}, a list of four characters, where the
items correspond to the left single quote, the right single quote, the
left double quote and the right double quote, respectively, whose
-default value is @code{'(?@r{`} ?@r{'} ?@r{``} ?@r{''})}.
+default value is @w{@code{'(@w{?}‘ @w{?}’ @w{?}“ @w{?}”)}}.
@vindex electric-quote-paragraph
@vindex electric-quote-comment
@@ -461,7 +460,7 @@
@vindex electric-quote-replace-double
You can also set the option @code{electric-quote-replace-double} to
-a non-@code{nil} value. Then, typing @t{"} insert an appropriate
+a non-@code{nil} value. Then, typing @kbd{"} insert an appropriate
curved double quote depending on context: @t{“} at the beginning of
the buffer or after a line break, whitespace, opening parenthesis, or
quote character, and @t{”} otherwise.
@@ -473,7 +472,7 @@
type @kbd{C-q `} or @kbd{C-q '} instead of @kbd{`} or @kbd{'}. To
insert a curved quote even when Electric Quote is disabled or
inactive, you can type @kbd{C-x 8 [} for @t{‘}, @kbd{C-x 8 ]} for
-@t{’}, @kbd{C-x 8 @{} for ``, and @kbd{C-x 8 @}} for ''.
+@t{’}, @kbd{C-x 8 @{} for @t{“}, and @kbd{C-x 8 @}} for @t{”}.
@xref{Inserting Text}. Note that the value of
@code{electric-quote-chars} does not affect these keybindings, they
are not keybindings of @code{electric-quote-mode} but bound in
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
* EMACS.TEXI
============
This will change header style (PDF), to this:
+-------------------------+ +------------------------+
| PAGE_NUM DOC_TITLE | |CHAPTER PAGE_NUM |
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- old/emacs.texi 2020-08-19 15:44:47.000000000 +0200
+++ new/emacs.texi 2020-08-20 20:06:46.751323200 +0200
@@ -99,6 +99,7 @@
@end titlepage
+@headings double
@summarycontents
@contents
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
That's all,
S. U.
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--- old/basic.texi 2020-08-20 17:59:31.446496400 +0200
+++ new/basic.texi 2020-08-20 18:17:59.289249300 +0200
@@ -112,7 +112,7 @@
@cindex curly quotes, inserting
@cindex curved quotes, inserting
A few common Unicode characters can be inserted via a command
-starting with @kbd{C-x 8}. For example, @kbd{C-x 8 [} inserts @t{‘}
+starting with @w{@kbd{C-x 8}}. For example, @kbd{C-x 8 [} inserts @t{‘}
which is Unicode code-point U+2018 @sc{left single quotation mark},
sometimes called a left single ``curved quote'' or ``curly quote''.
Similarly, @w{@kbd{C-x 8 ]}}, @kbd{C-x 8 @{} and @kbd{C-x 8 @}} insert the
@@ -147,10 +147,10 @@
In addition, in some contexts, if you type a quotation using grave
accent and apostrophe @kbd{`like this'}, it is converted to a form
-@t{‘like this’} using single quotation marks, even without @kbd{C-x 8}
-commands. Similarly, typing a quotation @kbd{``like this''} using
-double grave accent and apostrophe converts it to a form @t{“like
-this”} using double quotation marks. @xref{Quotation Marks}.
+using single quotation marks @t{‘like this’}, even without @kbd{C-x 8}
+commands. Similarly, typing a quotation using double grave accent and
+apostrophe @kbd{``like this''}, converts it to a form using double
+quotation marks @w{@t{“like this”}}. @xref{Quotation Marks}.
@node Moving Point
@section Changing the Location of Point
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--- old/display.texi 2020-08-19 15:44:43.000000000 +0200
+++ new/display.texi 2020-08-20 18:53:25.061187600 +0200
@@ -1632,10 +1632,10 @@
@cindex curved quotes, and terminal capabilities
@cindex @code{homoglyph} face
-Emacs tries to determine if the curved quotes @samp{‘} and @samp{’}
+Emacs tries to determine if the curved quotes @t{‘} and @t{’}
can be displayed on the current display. By default, if this seems to
-be so, then Emacs will translate the @acronym{ASCII} quotes (@samp{`}
-and @samp{'}), when they appear in messages and help texts, to these
+be so, then Emacs will translate the @acronym{ASCII} quotes @w{(@kbd{`}
+and @kbd{'})}, when they appear in messages and help texts, to these
curved quotes. You can influence or inhibit this translation by
customizing the user option @code{text-quoting-style} (@pxref{Keys in
Documentation,,, elisp, The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual}).
@@ -1644,7 +1644,7 @@
known to look just like @acronym{ASCII} characters, they are shown
with the @code{homoglyph} face. Curved quotes that are known not to
be displayable are shown as their @acronym{ASCII} approximations
-@t{`}, @t{'}, and @t{"} with the @code{homoglyph} face.
+@kbd{`}, @kbd{'}, and @kbd{"} with the @code{homoglyph} face.
@node Cursor Display
@section Displaying the Cursor
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+++ new/emacs.texi 2020-08-20 20:06:46.751323200 +0200
@@ -99,6 +99,7 @@
@end titlepage
+@headings double
@summarycontents
@contents
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--- old/text.texi 2020-08-19 15:45:20.000000000 +0200
+++ new/text.texi 2020-08-20 19:40:15.062523900 +0200
@@ -421,13 +421,12 @@
@cindex curved quotes
@cindex guillemets
@findex electric-quote-mode
-@c The funny quoting below is to make the printed version look
-@c correct. FIXME.
+
One common way to quote is the typewriter convention, which quotes
-using straight apostrophes @t{'like this'} or double-quotes @t{"like
+using straight apostrophes @kbd{'like this'} or double-quotes @kbd{"like
this"}. Another common way is the curved quote convention, which uses
-left and right single or double quotation marks `@t{like this}' or
-``@t{like this}''@footnote{
+left and right single or double quotation marks @t{‘like this’} or
+@t{“like this”}@footnote{
The curved single quote characters are U+2018 @sc{left single quotation
mark} and U+2019 @sc{right single quotation mark}; the curved double quotes
are U+201C @sc{left double quotation mark} and U+201D @sc{right double
@@ -445,7 +444,7 @@
@code{electric-quote-chars}, a list of four characters, where the
items correspond to the left single quote, the right single quote, the
left double quote and the right double quote, respectively, whose
-default value is @code{'(?@r{`} ?@r{'} ?@r{``} ?@r{''})}.
+default value is @w{@code{'(@w{?}‘ @w{?}’ @w{?}“ @w{?}”)}}.
@vindex electric-quote-paragraph
@vindex electric-quote-comment
@@ -461,7 +460,7 @@
@vindex electric-quote-replace-double
You can also set the option @code{electric-quote-replace-double} to
-a non-@code{nil} value. Then, typing @t{"} insert an appropriate
+a non-@code{nil} value. Then, typing @kbd{"} insert an appropriate
curved double quote depending on context: @t{“} at the beginning of
the buffer or after a line break, whitespace, opening parenthesis, or
quote character, and @t{”} otherwise.
@@ -473,7 +472,7 @@
type @kbd{C-q `} or @kbd{C-q '} instead of @kbd{`} or @kbd{'}. To
insert a curved quote even when Electric Quote is disabled or
inactive, you can type @kbd{C-x 8 [} for @t{‘}, @kbd{C-x 8 ]} for
-@t{’}, @kbd{C-x 8 @{} for ``, and @kbd{C-x 8 @}} for ''.
+@t{’}, @kbd{C-x 8 @{} for @t{“}, and @kbd{C-x 8 @}} for @t{”}.
@xref{Inserting Text}. Note that the value of
@code{electric-quote-chars} does not affect these keybindings, they
are not keybindings of @code{electric-quote-mode} but bound in
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2019-05-24 15:59 bug#35885: 25.2; Few mistakes in Emacs Manual (+ proposals) Sebastian Urban
2019-06-02 22:50 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-03 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-04 10:48 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-04 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-05 10:40 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-05 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 9:49 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-06 21:19 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-09 8:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-10 10:30 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-10 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 10:32 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-11 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-12 8:44 ` Sebastian Urban
2019-06-12 13:25 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-03 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-10 20:02 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-13 9:11 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-13 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-13 14:06 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-13 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-14 0:01 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-15 13:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-15 13:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15 14:11 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-16 11:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-16 13:00 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-18 14:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-18 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-19 10:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-19 8:44 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-19 10:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-19 12:14 ` Sebastian Urban
2020-08-20 12:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2021-05-13 11:48 ` Sebastian Urban
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2021-05-18 9:17 ` Sebastian Urban
2021-05-18 13:15 ` bug#42199: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
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