From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41145: 27.0.91; small issues with `display-fill-column-indicator' Customization group Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 08:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <837dtiymay.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4302"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41145@debbugs.gnu.org, Philipp Stephani To: Stefan Monnier , Mauro Aranda Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 30 17:12:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kCP07-00010g-LW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:11:27 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07UF4qjC008643; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:09:27 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3380sp1esh-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:09:27 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 07UF9M0n014492; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:09:26 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5044.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9728 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008300122 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9729 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 clxscore=1011 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008300123 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:186704 Archived-At: FWIW, I've said it before, and reiterate now: I think :group should always be explicitly present. We've gone to the other extreme, of not only encouraging its removal (apart from an initial occurrence), but even removing it from patches that contained it. Why do I feel this way? Repeating what I've said before: 1. Nothing is really gained. The amount of additional text eliminated is trivial - tiny. 2. A defcustom that's not near a previous one has its :group unclear (for humans). 3. It's problematic and error prone wrt moving defcustoms around. It doesn't hurt, and it can help human readers to just include explicit :group. Whether that should just be conventional (i.e., recommended/encouraged) or actually enforced is a different question. I'm not sure it needs to be enforced (e.g. warning or error msg), but I don't think that would hurt, and it might help. Just one opinion. I repeat it here only because I haven't mentioned it in a long time - probably not since the crusade to remove "unnecessary" :groups was initiated. (And no, this is not very important. Just sayin.)