From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable'? Really? 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Wed, 15 Sep 2021 11:27:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <97113ce8bab1a4e2456d@heytings.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4c99e40VnZuWHGBdNBb653KDCLPXzxLQIu0dsVRB4AMr2Tfd1L4 gnWY8P8PFEZ+b+FTKcZo3WIv57NIWGsBuGBe0SwqdZ8FosQYuoACSZye3tGEJ2E4wNhLKBY QrJrFFOR1cuNt6GlYp7QugovUSxzpvqm4XKmfuY2wQAahNQYb8LAYLI70EQKdA2jRjBArL4 bUv+FVUa6m9HP7TAMEJ/g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Lw4NZSGdzMI=:ubTHoCjn9+AUEQhsOCWBR5 qeUhvxv3Vd5d02m9nKnqBIFyC8CA39SMQuNRFPiJNaamiNf++0apW3nXmSIH0LfWA/9i18sZJ hKeoTsdhwGdDaqRgbvLCed+3MI4BQ9wV5Zr7/9ADq2m+fT8dogYVJ4Gv94U0qjNSk9ZVj2sR7 NoGpkG5bisC3jctRMoqAnWDGYVhE9M4ScNbq6c1yb2S/sYxVEqTJeZea073lJOPBCAuhXatVt Fr1uZMTaZUVcxnuZCn6riK1ju5X7+X48iQIh5sQqJSyrstwzvWamVTLWGYTGe6lMLpphfvVGZ ixv/FylJontjjMxnEsBGfnChYcjsBssbnWKhwlZ1q0ynNicjvw2p032JyYBrQW2/8q355PUzV VG2J+XYJpyHCEhLRIvI8ovNgZISR2Yr9GX/h1ulXBft3xTKOos77iSnSJKj9bty3b7iPcqL6v ThXItcLRDvh3fPkimJgniwKO59BtyIkg/tLqTy02JLvJFGrx9DaIbuz0t4XgBOUEeTGKdficj UBYl+xEupECnVcOWh/NpSX4AQJxkso/5rlV7rpCIT6TAof8TS1lbeTj67lJgcN22iZ/QLeJoX rmAKt7wxdUFzbzvRzByHWxKhwBb3+9LymWy56R85z1eX5+ytiIweF0iMsOQpjDzMnyfLvYlWP pImhcR3bbPJfxoSnAljA9NsdYTqE8EIXFdNBBarkkJ34Y4DxSWJ1bS+Bnn+V1newbUu7rpYCL JzFingtdaHJ4/D2dNwSb8bN1GNYNn0SDWZJ15fHmwuk8f9nDUc4dGNiXsjdD6QNw/aoJoIrH X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:214376 Archived-At: > The point is not to display unnecessary warnings. The point is only > to display warnings for custom variables that should not be set with > setq because they have a :set form, or IOW, to display warnings for > custom variables that should be set with customize-set-variables. I checked most of our uses of :set and agree that they usually behave well-mannered so using `setq' instead is practically always a bug indeed. But if the warnings are not displayed for byte-compiled code I miss who their major addressee would be. martin