From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jesse W Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1988: Making the license statement visible in the Emacs Manual Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:28:45 -0800 Message-ID: References: <5a2a250371fc35f0a3f8029fcc17754d@netwood.net> <04046cff34a90137681ef7ff3e6b20a3@netwood.net> Reply-To: Jesse W , 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233031753 28622 80.91.229.12 (27 Jan 2009 04:49:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 27 05:50:23 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LRfu3-0001E9-0j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:50:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36970 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LRfsl-0008K9-3T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:49:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LRZEz-0005cC-J7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:43:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LRZEy-0005bY-Ej for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:43:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51230 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LRZEy-0005bM-1i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:43:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:52747) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LRZEx-0001HW-Ei for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:43:31 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0QLhTCU004222; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:43:29 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0QLZ3Bd001923; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:35:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Jesse W Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1988 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,documentation X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1988-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1988.1233005328564 (code B ref 1988); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:35:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1988) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 26 Jan 2009 21:28:48 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mx7.netwood.net (mx7.netwood.net [209.247.184.8]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0QLSiln000558 for <1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:28:45 -0800 Original-Received: from netwood.net (mail.netwood.net [209.247.184.35]) by mx7.netwood.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0QLSgO8089988; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessw@netwood.net) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.248] [67.150.168.170] by netwood.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id AB08026C; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:28:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8905/Mon Jan 26 09:29:36 2009 on mx7.netwood.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:43:33 -0500 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:48:58 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:24593 Archived-At: On Jan 26, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Jesse W wrote: > >> There is a specific texinfo @ command, @insertcopying, which is >> designed to make the @copying information visible. See >> http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/ >> insertcopying.html#insertcopying > > This command is already used in the Emacs manual, in what I believe is > the way texinfo recommends. It only affects the printed titlepage. I'm glad to see that the license grant appears on the printed format; however, that doesn't resolve the problem that it's impossible for someone reading the plain-text version, or reading the HTML without looking at the source, to tell what the license grant is (specifically, the inclusion of Invariant Sections). It is quite feasible to include either the full license grant, or a note referring to where it is, by using @ifhtml and @ifplain directives. It may *also* be good to modify the Sample Texts to include this, but, the Emacs Manual can be fixed in any case. Jesse Weinstein