From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12507: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 12507 wishlist Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87bogubqjy.fsf@gnu.org> <873925ebpd.fsf@gnu.org> <87363ff7qp.fsf@gnus.org> <11ee80e5-6d98-4a1f-93c8-babb6da003f3@default> <87r1qxrgs1.fsf@gnus.org> <87v9g52dvz.fsf@red-bean.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36268"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Chong Yidong , 12507@debbugs.gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 23 20:15:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kL9Ix-0009GX-K2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:14:18 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08NIA5nm193708; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:14:17 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33r28vyvtu-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:14:17 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 08NIEHiY016438; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 18:14:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <87v9g52dvz.fsf@red-bean.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9753 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009230138 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9753 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009230138 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:188816 Archived-At: Hi Karl, At this point I don't have anything special to say about your general proposal regarding backups. My comments regard the bookmarks code. 1. I don't see why this proposal is in bug #12507. It seems like a general proposal, which should probably go to emacs-devel. 2. I don't see why the bookmark code shouldn't visit the file. That hasn't been explained. You cite a commit for save-place, not for bookmark.el. And even for that commit there's no explanation of _why_ the particular file shouldn't be visited. I switched to using `write-file' for bookmark files long ago, and I haven't seen any problem. When using a bookmark file, you're anyway visiting it, in some sense. I see no inconvenience in having the bookmark file be added to a list of visited files. You might not be reading or editing it directly (as text), but you're definitely reading it or editing it indirectly. Until we hear a reason for why `write-region' should be used for bookmark files, using it seems like a solution (for save-place?) looking for a problem. What's wrong with the obvious, simple solution to the real, recognized problem of no backups for bookmark files: use `write-file'? That's the first question to ask and answer, no?