From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43572: Feature request: make it possible to choose whether the first lines of the minibuffer should be displayed instead of the last ones Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 21:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83a6xguy7w.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2kztf9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft77t8kh.fsf@gnu.org> <83pn66mngx.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7ym2xe.fsf@gnu.org> <83pn60ehg2.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfgoe88c.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17362"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: 43572@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 23:50:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSwS-0004KN-1g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 23:50:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45252 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSwQ-0007PR-JS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:50:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSwE-0007Ox-FO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59389) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSwD-0006EZ-Pg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSwD-0000uM-Oy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:50:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 21:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43572 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43572-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43572.16016753813455 (code B ref 43572); Fri, 02 Oct 2020 21:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43572) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2020 21:49:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSvt-0000tf-Cn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:49:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kOSvq-0000tS-3X for 43572@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@otaku.sdf.org [205.166.94.8]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 092LnZsL012545 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:49:36 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 092Lnlpj002304; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:49:47 GMT In-Reply-To: <83lfgoe88c.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:189682 Archived-At: >> Your reaction is saddening. I'm very sorry to read this, but you >> rejected all my attempts to solve that problem so far, so that's not >> surprising. > > I rejected what clearly looked like unsafe and unclean design. Please > respect the opinions of those who have deeper knowledge of Emacs > internals and many years of experience hacking them. Your insistence on > doing things in sub-optimal ways when much better ways are at hand makes > it hard to discuss these issues with you and arrive at sound solutions > that can be trusted not to produce bugs in the future. > I won't go in that direction, I will not start a public quarrel with you. I can only repeat that your reaction is saddening.