From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43572: Feature request: make it possible to choose whether the first lines of the minibuffer should be displayed instead of the last ones Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:40:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83h7rov7xy.fsf@gnu.org> <837dskuvx3.fsf@gnu.org> <833637uubc.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu1ftdkb.fsf@gnu.org> <83imc3tach.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18682"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: 43572@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 24 18:44:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kLULp-0004k8-47 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:44:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35374 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLULo-00043h-2a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLUJm-00026S-D9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLUJm-0001MV-1g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLUJl-0001KW-VO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:42:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43572 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43572-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43572.16009656705046 (code B ref 43572); Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:42:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43572) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2020 16:41:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41475 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLUIw-0001JJ-6y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLUIq-0001J1-EV for 43572@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:41:08 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@otaku.sdf.org [205.166.94.8]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08OGf1Nn008210 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:41:01 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08OGfHx4005317; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:41:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <83imc3tach.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:188880 Archived-At: >> This seems to be a really minor problem. What kind of problems could >> happen because during a recursive edit while icomplete or ido or ... is >> active, redisplay is asked to start displaying at BOB? Do you really >> believe this could lead to a non-minor problem? > > Yes. There are third-party packages out there that do unimaginable > things when the user is prompted to enter his/her choice of something. > > And in any case, we don't want to rely on luck in these matters, IME the > Murphy laws are very strong here. > I can't believe this, in particular given that the default value of enable-recursive-minibuffers is nil. And in any case I'd say that it's to the third-party packages to adapt to changes in Emacs (and I'm sure from time to time there are changes here and there that force them to adapt their code). >> Then I wonder why this did not happen earlier (and wonder when it will >> happen). A bug report about this exact problem has already been filed >> five years ago (bug#24293). Five years ago. And the patch I'm >> proposing is less than ten lines long, and would be most welcome today. > > It didn't happen for the usual reasons: no one felt motivated enough to > sit down and do it. > > Can I convince you to try implementing this via text properties? > Of course you can. But only if you promise you will not reject what I do. > > The code will be very simple, I promise. > In fact, that's not motivating ;-) > > And we are here to help if you are unsure how to go about that. > Thank you, that's good to know.