From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43519: 28.0.50; Overlay at end of minibuf hides minibuf's real content Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:57:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83wo0p1twr.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1qx1q9v.fsf@gnu.org> <838sd425l2.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvrxlho.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu1jxhyd.fsf@gnu.org> <83imc7xg9h.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft7bxcjj.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23027"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (NEB 394 2020-01-19) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 43519@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 09:04:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcLX-0005sQ-7V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:04:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42332 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcLW-0000bS-67 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcGV-000578-JV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcGU-0004Bm-Cy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcGU-0008Cn-CF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:59:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43519 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43519-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43519.160075788531436 (code B ref 43519); Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:59:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43519) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2020 06:58:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcFY-0008Ay-PU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:58:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:58341) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kKcFX-0008Ao-6P for 43519@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:58:03 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 08M6w2A5012689 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:58:02 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 08M6wHnU010321; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:58:17 GMT In-Reply-To: <83ft7bxcjj.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:188663 Archived-At: [I send this mail again, apparently it was not delivered. I apologize if you receive it twice.] >> Which is why my proposal is to not break anything, but only to give >> applications the control of how what they insert in the minibuffer is >> displayed. A start_display_at_beginning_of_minibuffer variable that >> would be reset in read_minibuf() and that an application could set in >> minibuffer-setup-hook. I don't understand why you would be opposed to >> such a change. > > Because it changes a long-standing behavior with inserting normal text > into the minibuffer. > I does not change anything. Unless the user (in this case, the developer of completion applications such as icomplete or ido or ...) chooses to use that new possibility. > > This is not the user, this is a Lisp program that will do it. The > behavior will change in that the user will be shown only the first part > of the text, as opposed to the last part we were showing until now. > The behavior will not change unless the developer (who presumably knows what they are doing) requests it to change. > > Maybe such a change in behavior is desirable (I'm not sure, and I don't > yet have a clear idea how will Lisp programs decide which behavior to > request), but it's a separate issue. > Okay, so shall I file another bug just to have this same discussion again?