From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#42307: Feature request: Visual block attribute for overlays Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:53:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7389a241-662e-4771-b211-a0607431e4d5@default> Reply-To: Gregory Heytings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11203"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (NEB 202 2017-01-01) To: 42307@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 17:54:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFy-0002nl-7T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:54:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51338 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFx-0004hl-2k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:54:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50948) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFq-0004hO-9m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39824) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFq-0006i9-0C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFp-00028R-Vj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:54:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 42307 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 42307-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B42307.15947420288187 (code B ref 42307); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:54:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 42307) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2020 15:53:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFc-00027z-0a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:53:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNFa-00027p-8b for 42307@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:ghe@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 06EFrhFU002261 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:53:44 GMT Original-Received: (from ghe@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 06EFrhK9007045; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:53:43 GMT In-Reply-To: <7389a241-662e-4771-b211-a0607431e4d5@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:182996 Archived-At: > >> I don't know, but I do not see this as a problem. After all, if one >> wants the previous behavior, only a handful of faces need to be >> updated. > > Really? That's what people thought at the beginning of this change. > Then more popped up, one by one. > > Why should a user, and not necessarily a lisper, need to find and fix > each such face - handful or not - to get back the previous behavior, if > that's what s?he prefers? > I do not like the new default behavior either, but I can understand the viewpoint of those who decided that it would be the new default, even if I do not necessarily agree with their reasons. I would have been shocked if the old behavior was not available anymore, but that isn't the case, so I don't think it's a problem. > >> Apparently the new behavior was considered better. The NEWS item about >> this (in NEWS.27) states: "This is to make Emacs behave more like >> other GUI applications with respect to displaying faces that cross line >> boundaries." > > Yes, I know the rationale. It doesn't follow that all, or even most, > users feel the same way. > > There are lots of outside-Emacs behaviors that we don't impose as the > default - let alone the only - behavior in Emacs. > > I'm not making an argument that users shouldn't be able to get the new > behavior, or even that the new behavior should not have been adopted > immediately as the default (well...). My argument is to make it simple > for users to switch behaviors. Why not? > Yes, I agree with you that a way to make the old behavior the default one again would be welcome. I guess this is doable, but from my point of view it is not a priority. I would rather prefer to see the feature I proposed implemented, I think it would be a real improvement. Gregory