From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tino Calancha Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31772: 26.1; (thing-at-point 'list) regression Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 01:25:12 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: References: <838t7msmy1.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1r6acqo.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528734252 17712 195.159.176.226 (11 Jun 2018 16:24:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:24:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Cc: 31772@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov , Tino Calancha , Noam Postavsky To: Leo Liu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 11 18:24:07 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPbz-0004Vq-8T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 18:24:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50092 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPe6-0005b4-0m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:26:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39495) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPdt-0005XI-Sz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPdq-0008V0-Ko for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPdq-0008Uw-Gq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPdq-00054h-6e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Tino Calancha Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31772 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31772-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31772.152873432519459 (code B ref 31772); Mon, 11 Jun 2018 16:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31772) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2018 16:25:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPdE-00053m-BQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:44720) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fSPdC-00053Z-S3 for 31772@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:25:23 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl0-f44.google.com with SMTP id z9-v6so12618660plk.11 for <31772@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 09:25:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=48SoFHOGxBK9NFQ/2Ho4czoZkoAyUI1TkzwqGffHAk0=; b=tj7ZjLXdr0pSGXkkA9wZs16BYU84EFDLUB3QasVhiU6wPJKcRI9eVImsBefRsIM1tr YEEta7f9w+XOzcMqFgBcTiOlrS5TSD5jsT0oS22uyHmQ+aH+Qzj6v3e9DcQ7RIzDNcSI 8GIvNDzVMxdIY4Cm5uoj15ZjbHCN79F28nW3q0r/T8l4ot183qcbVVPKW1FCC+PAoolA +DfabUdIdGjvXmC399EkhPUJ+53f57okOXqdEUMSTfFxTXnSikTL2JB8d3lYU3bWGIRh UWaMewnjg1Zq0HqzWCcBHJBRaxgtjwqGOjNOMokV2zio71JAf4HKnIPkQv7q4+jDEGrc Iyhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=48SoFHOGxBK9NFQ/2Ho4czoZkoAyUI1TkzwqGffHAk0=; b=ty410mdLwF2Pdzv6oKD+EQwnbN/uX8skq9c8GkVqdr/pmJA90UoKIwKz9Uv4TxYCIF 3mRJcgxrP12PQygbWLDrBHs4tQ/Y5iNaLK7lKrcs0MQ6Nm8DXc1Oouh4fKpsCDSfjmbo 5gECirGGW2u2oYjd/w50Y39yOo5TFDTt3hBIzjy+8CwFIqBqHmS1gxenNUMi49DCulM1 4ujZQdBGEsYBFUxr2UgNpLyXA6IHd6qcooxq6P5Kwdr7R2h9PFNhXAOAq5rZkia0s/cg /KtP3gry5XfK9G2cTXAIV1eOJmMBlUA6STBkKXjLgUXLODp7ZiHocaAkdZUX8//o3HiP UsuA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2Z9vtXsmahqa/AFeOJAmGh4BPPLzH9OmvNKDAkhE2wRKfh1d+N 9Q/345CqA/hin9LOghvQ6WM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKOVZvFhKEuciMB6yDA2cZbRHA1SvudMK3wU0yMD04+o60zjUIk5Q7qX7AT22CqbyN/VkRI4w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d716:: with SMTP id w22-v6mr19134393ply.98.1528734316952; Mon, 11 Jun 2018 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from calancha-pc (228.225.128.101.dy.bbexcite.jp. [101.128.225.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u1-v6sm41820005pfn.59.2018.06.11.09.25.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jun 2018 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Tino Calancha X-X-Sender: calancha@calancha-pc In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:147293 Archived-At: On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Leo Liu wrote: > On 2018-06-12 00:06 +0900, Tino Calancha wrote: >> Since you seem a skilled Emacs user, you are very welcome to join us, >> all-volunteer Emacs developers, to keep improving Emacs and delight us >> with a 'full-perspective how to use it'. > > No one has a full-perspective. We all work with our partial perspective. > That's not an issue. I am simply pointing out the irony it only takes > one complaint to change something that's in Emacs for a long time but we > often forget the majority that are happy with the feature never come and > tell us from time to time what a great feature it is, they love it and > don't change it. > > For example, a lot of lisp programmers use paredit (not part of emacs). > Two or three major releases ago, the syntax of @ in (emacs-)lisp mode > was changed so that some unusual function names containing ,@ could > fontify properly, in doing so typing `,@(' in paredit gives you `,@ ()' > instead of `,@()'. You are not alone. This also happen to me. For example, Dmitry makes obsolote (to be more precise rebind Q to a new command) `dired-do-query-replace-regexp'. I like this command very much. I still use it and don't understand why it shouln't been bind by default to the classical Q. But it's also true that I wasn't collaborating with Emacs at the time that change was made. This people spent their free time to make Emacs great for free. I really thanks them so much, that I became one of them. I cannot blame Dmitry, just thanks him for his great contributions to the project and time invest on it. I think he is awesome, as all Emacs guys. >> Honestly, I am really looking forward to you join us. I wish all the >> Emacs users happy. That would be awesome. > > I already joined in but I am a little short of time lately. Oh so sad to heard that. I understand the work is the more important. That been said, if you can find some time in the future in your weekends, or just read the Emacs devel list, or the bug list and speak up when the people are asking for opinions, I would be very happy to listen your feedback. At the end we all want to make Emacs better and better. That's the only goal. We all love Emacs, right?