From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jim Porter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68254: EWW =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98readable=E2=80=99?= by default Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:18:29 -0700 Message-ID: References: <6ee278b0-1511-cfd9-7695-7e019d879f7b@gmail.com> <67bf26f6-382e-4065-8e02-b6433fe78b76@alphapapa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21403"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 68254@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, yvv0@proton.me To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 18 06:50:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5sn-0005Od-ED for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 06:50:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5sJ-0008GV-Vi; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:49:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5sF-0008Fj-4Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:49:27 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5sD-0005tw-As for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5so-0005JU-Ug for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:50:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jim Porter Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 05:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68254 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68254-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68254.171074099720398 (code B ref 68254); Mon, 18 Mar 2024 05:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2024 05:49:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36790 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5si-0005Iw-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:49:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oa1-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]:44156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rm5sh-0005IU-5j for 68254@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oa1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-22215ccbafeso2069951fac.0 for <68254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:49:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710740891; x=1711345691; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:cc:to:subject:mime-version:date:message-id:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tJisASrLoIiYMUKcnTKc8OCoxYh6u+qeo5sEZeO11Qg=; b=MoImY36MWE5WZ6cFeH2LvddBKRjo06fl3BvTR3BZA7+UMrbjN01zcqWrlkdGNvyebW b2rSVqQLI2/S6Qg+PIpSZbdn13dz14a3FLZUcAtZfahQIgYyu9OeqDx4Tf/aCquhxXik qpMMPHV3P4Hlj9yCjQYqwp1r/LIgGAw7LeZVwz9/8xLHBniOIZgVvSM0T0153DNNJcdo uFWbfDcXA3gz4SNI+heIIDHw2HU+dPLqo2hIkpV6nGmK8iz1j+qzMxihr3HDCRDu+uYz fFm2XTzTAL/PO8NMYfg+CL+9aGnTHTydSI0xUQn+7B2SO5dSI1+zAiPeMN/9qNEsNEdn VoEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710740891; x=1711345691; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:cc:to:subject:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tJisASrLoIiYMUKcnTKc8OCoxYh6u+qeo5sEZeO11Qg=; b=ilMG6e/kR9VbA2PelrA+Iu36zLANnnugaBfg18IyukHpKx0Kd/D5giN1ojg8sZYZ3d f632Tx+Eo+Ol63jIwy+a+gheGPouYMzMIAKmnXbVLXb6+FwmbLWer7c5Otf5MLy/tD07 1Yb49Kbik7v5tIqDZTkqyCgaHfrRBF5nigSkalgQ7iNGgkDCsmrvOS/lTaRojsQJfAPR R7Wb1jD9weBFp6a+1rE7YwFteIu6LqiNvM9qQLxB1FQBtSqTXbu2ctR/lYMVqiUf8L7a XcvLVMxH9O2vza9+U6qxykRIk/weuDC2ks++8cpdts7Ntd46v+oAJapRkuKcJGGzSuKy BbWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwrAoM55qHajevZzUjzUUvGkKL7nUPhJE0qwk4WhAjoMG0Gi30a pZqmJgzrt7ldW8km4nCLYoKsc1BWN7MxvGMKSyNOIlrxON45QHYqJv8tm9Ld X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGclrcRuEj0QQ4Pj8cSBoUU+NT+Y20xRX21n5TeX/dTSXNB8PQd/XUKl1CkPWcIY37hKTUQ2w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:608:b0:29c:4082:2d0b with SMTP id gb8-20020a17090b060800b0029c40822d0bmr8298174pjb.28.1710739110232; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (076-168-148-233.res.spectrum.com. [76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x4-20020a17090a6c0400b0029bf6f0934dsm7443353pjj.35.2024.03.17.22.18.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <67bf26f6-382e-4065-8e02-b6433fe78b76@alphapapa.net> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:281793 Archived-At: On 3/17/2024 9:32 PM, Adam Porter wrote: > I'm not sure it would be a good idea to enable eww-readable by default. > IME eww-readable is not reliably effective enough to be used by default. >  I think that if it were, too many users would find that EWW would > produce unusable results by default, and they'd likely blame EWW itself > rather than eww-readable, being unaware that eww-readable were even > involved. I agree overall. It's hard to know for sure if a web page will look ok in readable mode without trying it first. That's why I opted to keep the default behavior unchanged in my patch. It just makes it possible to add 'eww-readable' to 'eww-after-render-hook' without producing duplicate history entries. That way, if most of the pages you visit *are* readable, you can set it up like that and still get to the full view by calling 'eww-readable' again. > I like Jim's idea of having an option of URL-matching regexps that > automatically activate eww-readable.  That does sound useful. Yeah, I think I might add that in, since 1) I'd find it useful, 2) it should be easy, and 3) the Safari browser already supports this, so there's already precedent elsewhere. (It's arguably even more relevant for EWW than Safari, since many webpages are a real mess in EWW without readable-mode.)