From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87zho2cd4f.fsf@gmail.com> <071cc96c-1bf2-f331-8f9e-b3c54a7452da@gmx.at> <877eb3e5im.fsf@gmail.com> <9bd289fe-3623-4c45-4c4f-04c6668cae76@gmx.at> <9fc1129c-5377-4b56-ba6d-dce497140941@default> <877eb0ptiy.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="23446"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35564@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics , =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 09 22:06:22 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hOpJ7-0005tL-Q0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 9 May 2019 20:04:26 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2s94ah0ejq-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 09 May 2019 20:04:26 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x49K4Pu4005899; Thu, 9 May 2019 20:04:25 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4834.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9252 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1905090114 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9252 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1905090114 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159004 Archived-At: > >> But I'm afraid we'll have to stick to what we have now. > > > > Why? Not sure what you mean. >=20 > I mean that it won't be easy to convince others that we need a new > face for propertizing prompts. Why assume that? Who needs to be convinced? If we can't have a new face for this then I'd like to see non-minibuffer prompting have no face at all, by default. > > I would prefer that the two be separated. Tooltip text > > is quite different from prompts in use cases and behavior. >=20 > They are similar in the following aspect: Both prompts and tooltips > are often displayed using toolkit functions. That sounds like an implementation thing, not a user-level thing. And as I said, `x-show-tooltip' has no problem with showing propertized text. > GTK tooltips are by > default not propertized because the system doesn't accept any face > properties for them. If Emacs used balloon tooltips on Windows, > propertizing them would not be possible either. And both 'y-or-n-p' > and 'yes-or-no-p', when implemented via dialog popups, don't adopt our > text properties either. Oh, so `x-show-tooltip' only supports properties on some platforms (e.g. MS Windows)? If so, that's unfortunate. Yes, I don't expect window-dialogs to respect propertized text. Again, unfortunate - but livable. > The question is now whether an application should accept the uniform > appearance of such objects as prescribed by the toolkit used and as > such obey the toolkit's look-and-feel or insist to use its own > implementations. Emacs leaves that choice to its users. Which means > that users are told things like "if you want this mode to behave as > intended, you have to customize variables like 'use-dialog-box' or > 'x-gtk-use-system-tooltips'". Nothing bad with that, but some users > might be uncertain whether they should agree. In particular when such > an option affects all sorts of tooltips or prompts. Got it; thx. I would like to see Emacs allow, when possible, Emacsy things as much as possible. But I can understand that there can be some tradeoffs.