* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history @ 2014-01-24 21:45 Bastien Guerry 2014-01-25 8:19 ` Dani Moncayo 2020-08-25 10:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Bastien Guerry @ 2014-01-24 21:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 16542 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 81 bytes --] The subject line says it all. This trivial patch fixes it. Comments welcome, [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: bookmark.el.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-diff, Size: 505 bytes --] diff --git a/lisp/bookmark.el b/lisp/bookmark.el index 5307cad..52697c2 100644 --- a/lisp/bookmark.el +++ b/lisp/bookmark.el @@ -1126,6 +1126,7 @@ Changes current buffer and point and returns nil, or signals a `file-error'." (set-buffer (cond ((and file (file-readable-p file) (not (buffer-live-p buf))) + (add-to-history 'file-name-history file) (find-file-noselect file)) ;; No file found. See if buffer BUF have been created. 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* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-24 21:45 bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history Bastien Guerry @ 2014-01-25 8:19 ` Dani Moncayo 2014-01-25 8:42 ` Drew Adams 2020-08-25 10:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Dani Moncayo @ 2014-01-25 8:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien Guerry; +Cc: 16542 > The subject line says it all. > > This trivial patch fixes it. > > Comments welcome, FWIW: There are other cases (besides "via the bookmarks buffer") where a file is visited but not added to the file-name-history. Bug #12915 contains a general discussion about the matter. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-25 8:19 ` Dani Moncayo @ 2014-01-25 8:42 ` Drew Adams 2014-01-27 11:29 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2014-01-25 8:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dani Moncayo, Bastien Guerry; +Cc: 16542 > FWIW: There are other cases (besides "via the bookmarks buffer") where > a file is visited but not added to the file-name-history. > > Bug #12915 contains a general discussion about the matter. Yes, thank you, Dani. FWIW, I will repeat just this part from my post in that thread: The proper solution is for commands that read file names to DTRT wrt `file-name-history' - TRT for that command. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IOW, it is up to the command. It should not be the case that the mere fact of putting file contents into a buffer (e.g. via `find-file-noselect'), or even the mere fact of "visiting" a file, should place that file name into `file-name-history'. Any given command can decide (i.e., be designed) to update the history that way, but this should not be something general, i.e., done in a blanket way. In the case of a bookmark that really represents a file location (and they are not all such, but the current case deals only with the default handler and its file-access case, so it is probably OK in this regard), it could be thought that the file name might reasonably be added to `file-name-history'. Why? Because it is very close to the idea of the user inputting the file name. But it is not the same thing as entering the file name explicitly, as minibuffer input. And that alone is what `file-name-history' (and all of the minibuffer histories) are for. It makes sense, if the user enters a bookmark name in the minibuffer, to add that name to a bookmark-name history list. But not to update any other history lists by that action. Again, though, it should be up to the individual command (i.e., its designer, based on its purpose etc.) to decide this. There should be no blanket rule - certainly not maximizing adding file names to the history. The general guideline should be what I said above: Add to the current minibuffer history only when the given name is in fact entered from the minibuffer. But that's a guideline, and any given command could decide otherwise, e.g., could decide that it would be more helpful to users to add some name that was not in fact entered. We could also decide to have a user option that let users choose whether to be lax or strict about respecting the guideline. Then commands could test that option and thus decide whether to add a related file name to the history even when it was not entered. Please do see the bug #12915 thread, for more info. In particular, as one important example, there is the case of commands that are invoked by accessing menus, rather than via `M-x'. IOW, by menu-item name rather than by command name, and by menu rather than by minibuffer. IMO, there should be a user option governing whether those command names get added to `command-history'. (And I have such an option in Icicles, for instance.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-25 8:42 ` Drew Adams @ 2014-01-27 11:29 ` Bastien 2014-01-27 15:11 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2014-01-27 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 16542 Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: >> FWIW: There are other cases (besides "via the bookmarks buffer") where >> a file is visited but not added to the file-name-history. >> >> Bug #12915 contains a general discussion about the matter. > > Yes, thank you, Dani. > > FWIW, I will repeat just this part from my post in that thread: > > The proper solution is for commands that read file names to DTRT > wrt `file-name-history' - TRT for that command. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thank you both for your input. The #12915 bug report was quite a read. There seem to be one consensus and one point of disagreement: - consensus: the bug report calls for a general mechanism, as the same problem hit other commands; - disagreement: such a general mechanism should be activated for all commands that find a file or only for specific commands (e.g. only interactive commands, [your rule here], or even no rule at all--as Drew suggests.) I'm on Drew side here, I think a one-by-one approach is better, whether there is a general mechanism or not (yet). Since there is no strong objection for fixing the bookmark-jump case, and since it's trivial to migrate this fix to a general solution when we'll have one, I'm willing to apply the fix if no-one objects in a week. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-27 11:29 ` Bastien @ 2014-01-27 15:11 ` Drew Adams 2014-01-27 15:26 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2014-01-27 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: 16542 > I'm on Drew side here, I think a one-by-one approach is better, > whether there is a general mechanism or not (yet). > > Since there is no strong objection for fixing the bookmark-jump > case, and since it's trivial to migrate this fix to a general > solution when we'll have one, I'm willing to apply the fix if > no-one objects in a week. I did not object to the idea out of hand, and I agreed that there are arguments in its favor (for `bookmark-jump'). However, to be clear: There is no hurry for this command to act like that, and my preference would be to *not* make this change now for that one command, and instead to wait until we address the issue more generally. E.g., a user option to give users some control over this. The file-name history is, after all, _their_ history. Starting down this road is not a great idea without a general plan. Until now, minibuffer histories are designed to reflect only text _actually input from the minibuffer by the user_. To change that design decision so that it becomes only a guideline, which gets modulated by other influences (e.g., the individual command; one or more user options overrule; etc.), we should have a general plan for where we're headed - a new design. So I do not object strongly, but I think it is a bad idea to set a precedent this way. It is better to discuss the general issue on emacs-devel. And there certainly is no hurry for this, when it comes to `bookmark-jump'. If you really want to do this now for `bookmark-jump', then a compromise could be to add a user option just for that, i.e., in bookmark.el. Then, if and when a more general design is adopted, that option could be removed in favor of a more general option. That would let users retain the current `bookmark-jump' behavior or not, as they prefer. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-27 15:11 ` Drew Adams @ 2014-01-27 15:26 ` Bastien 2014-01-27 17:31 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2014-01-27 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 16542 I suggest we build a list of Emacs Elisp commands that are candidates for adding a file name to file-name-history: - bookmark-jump - bookmark-jump-other-window - dired-find-file - dired-find-file-other-window come to my mind. Thanks for adding others. Then a new option find-file-history can contain 'bookmark 'dired and the likes to control whether the related features should add the file name to `file-name-history'. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-27 15:26 ` Bastien @ 2014-01-27 17:31 ` Drew Adams 2014-01-28 7:28 ` Juri Linkov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2014-01-27 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: 16542 > I suggest we build a list of Emacs Elisp commands that are > candidates for adding a file name to file-name-history: > - bookmark-jump > - bookmark-jump-other-window > - dired-find-file > - dired-find-file-other-window > come to my mind. Thanks for adding others. I suggest taking this to emacs-devel. > Then a new option find-file-history can contain 'bookmark 'dired > and the likes to control whether the related features should add > the file name to `file-name-history'. I'd sooner see this: 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide". IOW, something like this: (defcustom add-to-file-history-only-if-input () "Which commands to disallow adding non-input file names to the history. When a file name is read in the minibuffer, the name you enter is typically added to `file-name-history'. Some commands may optionally add additional file names to this minibuffer history. If the option value is not a list then do not let any commands add a file name to the history unless you enter that name as minibuffer input. Otherwise, the value is a list of commands to disallow adding a name you did not enter. (If the value is nil, no commands are disallowed; they can all add file names that you do not enter.)" :type '(choice (const :tag "Let no command add a file name I do not enter" t) (repeat :tag "Commands that cannot add file names I do not enter" (restricted-sexp :tag "Command that cannot add unentered file names to history" ;; Use `symbolp' instead of `commandp', in case the ;; library defining the command is not yet loaded. :match-alternatives (symbolp) :value ignore))) :group 'files :group 'minibuffer) 2. If a given command is not excluded by the option (see #1) then it can, if it wants, add another file name (e.g. a visited file) to `file-name-history'. If a command wants to offer the possibility of such inclusion, it first tests the option value to see if the user allows that. (There is also the question of whether to do something similar for other minibuffer histories, besides `file-name-history'. But we can probably forget about that, for now.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-27 17:31 ` Drew Adams @ 2014-01-28 7:28 ` Juri Linkov 2014-01-28 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2014-01-28 16:20 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Juri Linkov @ 2014-01-28 7:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Bastien, 16542 > 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning > "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as > you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any > other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide". I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists: 1. history of minibuffer input 2. history of visited files and a new option to select which history to access via M-p in the minibuffer that reads a file name. Actually we already have a history of recently visited files in recentf, so we could add `bookmark-jump' to `recentf-used-hooks'. Or maybe this is not needed because it already contains `find-file-hook'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-28 7:28 ` Juri Linkov @ 2014-01-28 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2014-01-29 9:10 ` Juri Linkov 2014-01-29 10:43 ` Bastien 2014-01-28 16:20 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-01-28 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Bastien, 16542 >> 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning >> "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as >> you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any >> other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide". > I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists: > 1. history of minibuffer input > 2. history of visited files > and a new option to select which history to access via M-p > in the minibuffer that reads a file name. Better would be to somehow give access to those two lists without going through an option. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-28 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2014-01-29 9:10 ` Juri Linkov 2014-01-29 10:43 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Juri Linkov @ 2014-01-29 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Bastien, 16542 >> I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists: >> 1. history of minibuffer input >> 2. history of visited files >> and a new option to select which history to access via M-p >> in the minibuffer that reads a file name. > > Better would be to somehow give access to those two lists without going > through an option. Maybe using M-n that makes the history of visited files available after evaluating this defun (later it could be added to its existing implementation): (defun read-file-name--defaults (&optional dir initial) recentf-list) where suggestions will work like in web browsers that pop up a list of visited web pages. In this case recentf.el have to be pre-loaded. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-28 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2014-01-29 9:10 ` Juri Linkov @ 2014-01-29 10:43 ` Bastien 2014-01-29 13:58 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2014-01-29 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 16542 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: >>> 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning >>> "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as >>> you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any >>> other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide". >> I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists: >> 1. history of minibuffer input >> 2. history of visited files >> and a new option to select which history to access via M-p >> in the minibuffer that reads a file name. > > Better would be to somehow give access to those two lists without going > through an option. The advantage of a simple option like (setq find-file-history '(bookmark dired)) is that users are likely to set it once and for all. With two history variables and a way to access them separately or together (e.g. depending on a toggle command in the minibuffer?), the users may wonder which one they are currently accessing, overloading their minds for this frequently used command... Or at least, there should be an option to always search through the extended history if that's the default behavior we want. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-29 10:43 ` Bastien @ 2014-01-29 13:58 ` Stefan Monnier 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-01-29 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: 16542 > With two history variables and a way to access them separately or > together (e.g. depending on a toggle command in the minibuffer?), the Yes, the "somehow" part of my suggestion is the thorny part. I was thinking of something more transparent. Where you basically use both lists at the same time, but "give preference" to the elements that appear in the minibuffer history over the visited files history. Stefan PS: And no, I don't know concretely what "give preference" should mean here. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-28 7:28 ` Juri Linkov 2014-01-28 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2014-01-28 16:20 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2014-01-28 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Juri Linkov; +Cc: Bastien, 16542 > > 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning > > "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list > > as you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and > > any other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide". > > I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history > lists: > > 1. history of minibuffer input > 2. history of visited files > > and a new option to select which history to access via M-p > in the minibuffer that reads a file name. I see nothing "cleaner" about that. But it is a reasonable proposal. Here are some arguments against it: a. That makes the lists exclusive - the file names are not merged into one list. So they are not accessible by simple cycling. Unless you meant that #2 would subsume #1 as a proper subset. (But a file name can be entered without the file being visited, so your description of #2 would need to be changed slightly, if we assume that #2 includes everything in #1.) b. It means that the choice of which of those exclusive histories to use would be decided ahead of time, when the user option is set. c. It would not give the command any control over what is appropriate for it. I prefer that (i) the user have ultimate control, and (ii) when allowed by the user, the command can decide. > Actually we already have a history of recently visited files > in recentf, so we could add `bookmark-jump' to `recentf-used-hooks'. > Or maybe this is not needed because it already contains `find-file- > hook'. I agree that recentf should include files visited by jumping to bookmarks. I think that is already the case, but if not, yes, let's fix that first, for sure. The purpose of recentf is to record recently visited files. The purpose of `file-name-history' is to record file names entered in the minibuffer. Different purposes, for different uses. Yet another approach would be to let users cycle through recentf files during file-name input, using a different key from `M-p' etc. But that has the same drawback as your proposal: separate list do not reflect a single chronological history. Bastien's original suggestion, and the user option I presented, include (some) visited files in `file-name-history', not just in the recentf history. I think this is clean and simple, and the option I suggested (or similar) gives users and commands adequate control over the behavior. (But as we generalize from bookmarks, this discussion really belongs in emacs-devel, not just this bug thread.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history 2014-01-24 21:45 bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history Bastien Guerry 2014-01-25 8:19 ` Dani Moncayo @ 2020-08-25 10:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-08-25 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien Guerry; +Cc: 16542 Bastien Guerry <bzg@altern.org> writes: > The subject line says it all. > > This trivial patch fixes it. > > Comments welcome, > > diff --git a/lisp/bookmark.el b/lisp/bookmark.el > index 5307cad..52697c2 100644 > --- a/lisp/bookmark.el > +++ b/lisp/bookmark.el [...] > + (add-to-history 'file-name-history file) I think this would be very surprising -- finding other things in the minibuffer history than things I've typed in would be pretty odd. As suggested, having a separate list of all visited files would be nice, but the UX here would be pretty awkward. That's discussed in bug#12915, though, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2020-08-25 10:57 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 14+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2014-01-24 21:45 bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history Bastien Guerry 2014-01-25 8:19 ` Dani Moncayo 2014-01-25 8:42 ` Drew Adams 2014-01-27 11:29 ` Bastien 2014-01-27 15:11 ` Drew Adams 2014-01-27 15:26 ` Bastien 2014-01-27 17:31 ` Drew Adams 2014-01-28 7:28 ` Juri Linkov 2014-01-28 13:28 ` Stefan Monnier 2014-01-29 9:10 ` Juri Linkov 2014-01-29 10:43 ` Bastien 2014-01-29 13:58 ` Stefan Monnier 2014-01-28 16:20 ` Drew Adams 2020-08-25 10:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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