From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18005: 24.4.50; In Emacs manual, tell users how to enter debugger for `user-error' errors Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <6261d1cf-2fa0-48a4-a8f0-0727d270c0f2@default> <87twiknkx0.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461970542 9452 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2016 22:55:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18005@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 30 00:55:29 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1awHJp-00088Q-EL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:55:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56700 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awHJl-0001eE-Pc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awHJd-0001Ng-7q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:55:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awHJR-00088i-JH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:55:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awHJR-00086H-GU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:55:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awHJO-0002AF-4X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 18005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18005.14619704488230 (code B ref 18005); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 22:54:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awHIW-00028f-1W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:54:08 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21745) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awHIV-00028J-8v for 18005@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TMs08p006743 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:54:01 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TMrxbu017961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:54:00 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TMrwut003544; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:53:59 GMT In-Reply-To: <87twiknkx0.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117291 Archived-At: > > The only hint about how to make Emacs enter the debugger for errors > > deemed `user-error' is this mention, buried in the > > `debug-ignored-errors' entry of the Elisp manual: > > > > The normal value of this variable includes `user-error', as well > > as several errors that happen often during editing but rarely > > result from bugs in Lisp programs. However, "rarely" is not > > "never"; if your program fails with an error that matches this > > list, you may try changing this list to debug the error. The > > easiest way is usually to set `debug-ignored-errors' to `nil'. > > > > (FWIW, wrt this text: Is it really necessary to point out that > > users can want to enter the debugger for other reasons that > > tracking down a Lisp bug?) > > > > It should be made *obvious* to users, in the *Emacs* manual, how to mak= e > > the debugger open for so-called "user errors". >=20 > I think this belongs in the elisp manual, and the explanation there is > fine. I disagree (like RMS). How to enter the debugger, including for "user" errors, is not information we should bury. It should be mentioned in the Emacs manual, with a link to the Elisp manual for more info.