* bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop @ 2021-06-23 19:59 Peter Oliver 2021-06-24 6:07 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Peter Oliver @ 2021-06-23 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 49195 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 720 bytes --] At present, we provide emacs.desktop (which starts a new instance of Emacs), and emacsclient.desktop (which connects to an existing instance of Emacs). This is problematic if a users wants to associate a particular file type with Emacs in their desktop file manager, because they can’t know in advance which will be correct. Attached is a patch which enhances emacsclient.desktop so that it will start a new instance of Emacs if none is found to be running. Users who like to reuse an existing Emacs can then always use emacsclient.desktop. There was some discussion of how far to go with this on emacs-devel recently, but, if I understand correctly, the parts in this patch were not controversial. -- Peter Oliver [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 4017 bytes --] From 374c2b202dd8276506eaf2ed51edc946beebefcd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Peter Oliver <git@mavit.org.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:04:17 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] From .desktop files, reuse a frame or start a new Emacs as required * doc/emacs/misc.texi: (Using Emacs as a Server) Explain emacsclient.desktop. * etc/NEWS: (Emacs Server): Explain emacsclient.desktop. * emacs-mail.desktop, etc/emacsclient.desktop: Automatically try to reuse an existing frame, open a new frame, or start a new Emacs daemon. Add actions for specific behaviours. --- doc/emacs/misc.texi | 5 +++++ etc/NEWS | 5 +++++ etc/emacs-mail.desktop | 16 +++++++++++++--- etc/emacsclient.desktop | 11 ++++++++++- 4 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/misc.texi b/doc/emacs/misc.texi index 027133cc3a..2beedd6f5a 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/misc.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/misc.texi @@ -1757,6 +1757,11 @@ Emacs Server @code{3}. (If there is no server with that name, an error is signaled.) Currently, this feature is mainly useful for developers. + If you launch Emacs from a desktop environment, you may use the +@dfn{Emacs (Client)} menu entry to connect to an Emacs server with +@command{emacsclient}. If the daemon is not already running, it will +be started for you. + @menu * TCP Emacs server:: Listening to a TCP socket. * Invoking emacsclient:: Connecting to the Emacs server. diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index 64b39d737a..02473257e2 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -539,6 +539,11 @@ an edit instead of marking it as "Done" (which the 'C-x #' command does). The 'emacsclient' program exits with an abnormal status as result of this command. ++++ +*** New desktop integration for connecting to the server. +You may use the "Emacs (Client)" menu entry to open files in an +existing Emacs instance rather than starting a new one. + ** Perl mode --- diff --git a/etc/emacs-mail.desktop b/etc/emacs-mail.desktop index 0c5fab1dd1..251afa100c 100644 --- a/etc/emacs-mail.desktop +++ b/etc/emacs-mail.desktop @@ -1,12 +1,22 @@ [Desktop Entry] Categories=Network;Email; Comment=GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor - and more -Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u -# If you prefer to use emacsclient, use this instead -#Exec=emacsclient -e '(message-mailto "%u")' Icon=emacs Name=Emacs (Mail) MimeType=x-scheme-handler/mailto; NoDisplay=false Terminal=false Type=Application + +Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u +# # If you prefer to use emacsclient, use this instead: +# Exec=sh -c 'emacsclient --alternate-editor= --display="$DISPLAY" --eval "(message-mailto \"%u\")"' +# Actions=new-window;new-instance; + +# [Desktop Action new-window] +# Name=New Window +# Exec=emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame --eval '(message-mailto "%u")' + +# [Desktop Action new-instance] +# Name=New Instance +# Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u diff --git a/etc/emacsclient.desktop b/etc/emacsclient.desktop index 3feb83c729..43f2c31ddd 100644 --- a/etc/emacsclient.desktop +++ b/etc/emacsclient.desktop @@ -3,10 +3,19 @@ Name=Emacs (Client) GenericName=Text Editor Comment=Edit text MimeType=text/english;text/plain;text/x-makefile;text/x-c++hdr;text/x-c++src;text/x-chdr;text/x-csrc;text/x-java;text/x-moc;text/x-pascal;text/x-tcl;text/x-tex;application/x-shellscript;text/x-c;text/x-c++; -Exec=emacsclient -c %F +Exec=sh -c 'if [ -n "$*" ]; then exec emacsclient --alternate-editor= --display="$DISPLAY" "$@"; else exec emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame; fi' placeholder %F Icon=emacs Type=Application Terminal=false Categories=Development;TextEditor; StartupWMClass=Emacsd Keywords=Text;Editor; +Actions=new-window;new-instance; + +[Desktop Action new-instance] +Name=New Window +Exec=emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame %F + +[Desktop Action new-instance] +Name=New Instance +Exec=emacs %F -- 2.31.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop 2021-06-23 19:59 bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop Peter Oliver @ 2021-06-24 6:07 ` Eli Zaretskii 2021-06-24 13:28 ` Peter Oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-06-24 6:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Peter Oliver; +Cc: 49195 > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:59:31 +0100 (BST) > From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@mavit.org.uk> > > Attached is a patch which enhances emacsclient.desktop so that it will start a new instance of Emacs if none is found to be running. Users who like to reuse an existing Emacs can then always use emacsclient.desktop. FWIW, I would find this change surprising, and therefore would suggest to leave this off by default. But that's me. > There was some discussion of how far to go with this on emacs-devel recently, but, if I understand correctly, the parts in this patch were not controversial. How do you understand that? My recollection was that there was no consensus on this, but my memory is not what it used to be. > + If you launch Emacs from a desktop environment, you may use the "Desktop environment" is too general. You mean GNU/Linux desktop environment, and possibly just the ones compatible with freedesktop.org? The text should make that clear. More generally, I'm not sure we should even say this in the Emacs manual, as these features belong to the desktop, not to Emacs. What is the advantage of having this text in our manual? > +*** New desktop integration for connecting to the server. > +You may use the "Emacs (Client)" menu entry to open files in an > +existing Emacs instance rather than starting a new one. This isn't detailed enough, especially if we decide not to say anything about that in the manual. And even if we leave that text in the manual, it is buried in a place where finding it isn't easy, so NEWS should be more detailed. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop 2021-06-24 6:07 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-06-24 13:28 ` Peter Oliver 2021-06-24 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Peter Oliver @ 2021-06-24 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 49195 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2843 bytes --] On Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:59:31 +0100 (BST) >> From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@mavit.org.uk> >> >> Attached is a patch which enhances emacsclient.desktop so that it will start a new instance of Emacs if none is found to be running. Users who like to reuse an existing Emacs can then always use emacsclient.desktop. > > FWIW, I would find this change surprising, For someone to be unpleasantly surprised by this, they would need to launch emacsclient.desktop with the hope that it would fail because an Emacs daemon is not already running. If they want it to fail, why would they try to launch it? > and therefore would suggest to leave this off by default. But that's me. I’m not sure what off by default would mean in this context. We’ll be providing emacsclient.desktop for the first time in Emacs 28, so users who prefer not to use it can carry on doing whatever they did before. >> There was some discussion of how far to go with this on emacs-devel recently, but, if I understand correctly, the parts in this patch were not controversial. > > How do you understand that? My recollection was that there was no > consensus on this, but my memory is not what it used to be. I thought that replacing emacs.desktop with emacsclient.desktop, so as to always use emacsclient, was the controversial part. Apologies if I got that wrong. >> + If you launch Emacs from a desktop environment, you may use the > > "Desktop environment" is too general. You mean GNU/Linux desktop > environment, and possibly just the ones compatible with > freedesktop.org? The text should make that clear. I’ve made this more specific. Thanks. A revised version of the patch is attached. > More generally, I'm not sure we should even say this in the Emacs > manual, as these features belong to the desktop, not to Emacs. This section of the manual already describes how to start Emacs from systemd, which isn’t part of Emacs either. > What is the advantage of having this text in our manual? I think that providing two different .desktop files is confusing enough to be worth commenting on. >> +*** New desktop integration for connecting to the server. >> +You may use the "Emacs (Client)" menu entry to open files in an >> +existing Emacs instance rather than starting a new one. > > This isn't detailed enough, especially if we decide not to say > anything about that in the manual. And even if we leave that text in > the manual, it is buried in a place where finding it isn't easy, so > NEWS should be more detailed. I’ve expanded this, but please let me know if you think there’s anything else that needs to be explained or isn’t clear; I’m aware that things that are obvious to the person who wrote a feature may not be obvious to others, but it’s hard to know exactly what. -- Peter Oliver [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 4414 bytes --] From 838418cee84442665eab8a2318869aac907f9099 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Peter Oliver <git@mavit.org.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:04:17 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] From .desktop files, reuse a frame or start a new Emacs as required * doc/emacs/misc.texi: (Using Emacs as a Server) Explain emacsclient.desktop. * etc/NEWS: (Emacs Server): Explain emacsclient.desktop. * emacs-mail.desktop, etc/emacsclient.desktop: Automatically try to reuse an existing frame, open a new frame, or start a new Emacs daemon. Add actions for specific behaviours. --- doc/emacs/misc.texi | 7 +++++++ etc/NEWS | 9 +++++++++ etc/emacs-mail.desktop | 16 +++++++++++++--- etc/emacsclient.desktop | 11 ++++++++++- 4 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/misc.texi b/doc/emacs/misc.texi index 027133cc3a..4bb2d72cc2 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/misc.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/misc.texi @@ -1757,6 +1757,13 @@ Emacs Server @code{3}. (If there is no server with that name, an error is signaled.) Currently, this feature is mainly useful for developers. + If your operating system’s desktop environment is +@url{https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/,,freedesktop.org-compatible} +(which is true of most GNU/Linux and other recent Unix-like GUIs), you +may use the @dfn{Emacs (Client)} menu entry to connect to an Emacs +server with @command{emacsclient}. If the daemon is not already +running, it will be started for you. + @menu * TCP Emacs server:: Listening to a TCP socket. * Invoking emacsclient:: Connecting to the Emacs server. diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index 64b39d737a..c0cfd9fe9a 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -539,6 +539,15 @@ an edit instead of marking it as "Done" (which the 'C-x #' command does). The 'emacsclient' program exits with an abnormal status as result of this command. ++++ +*** New desktop integration for connecting to the server. +If your operating system’s desktop environment is +freedesktop.org-compatible (which is true of most GNU/Linux and other +recent Unix-like GUIs), you may use the new "Emacs (Client)" desktop +menu entry to open files in an existing Emacs instance rather than +starting a new one. If the daemon is not already running, it will be +started for you. + ** Perl mode --- diff --git a/etc/emacs-mail.desktop b/etc/emacs-mail.desktop index 0c5fab1dd1..251afa100c 100644 --- a/etc/emacs-mail.desktop +++ b/etc/emacs-mail.desktop @@ -1,12 +1,22 @@ [Desktop Entry] Categories=Network;Email; Comment=GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor - and more -Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u -# If you prefer to use emacsclient, use this instead -#Exec=emacsclient -e '(message-mailto "%u")' Icon=emacs Name=Emacs (Mail) MimeType=x-scheme-handler/mailto; NoDisplay=false Terminal=false Type=Application + +Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u +# # If you prefer to use emacsclient, use this instead: +# Exec=sh -c 'emacsclient --alternate-editor= --display="$DISPLAY" --eval "(message-mailto \"%u\")"' +# Actions=new-window;new-instance; + +# [Desktop Action new-window] +# Name=New Window +# Exec=emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame --eval '(message-mailto "%u")' + +# [Desktop Action new-instance] +# Name=New Instance +# Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u diff --git a/etc/emacsclient.desktop b/etc/emacsclient.desktop index 3feb83c729..43f2c31ddd 100644 --- a/etc/emacsclient.desktop +++ b/etc/emacsclient.desktop @@ -3,10 +3,19 @@ Name=Emacs (Client) GenericName=Text Editor Comment=Edit text MimeType=text/english;text/plain;text/x-makefile;text/x-c++hdr;text/x-c++src;text/x-chdr;text/x-csrc;text/x-java;text/x-moc;text/x-pascal;text/x-tcl;text/x-tex;application/x-shellscript;text/x-c;text/x-c++; -Exec=emacsclient -c %F +Exec=sh -c 'if [ -n "$*" ]; then exec emacsclient --alternate-editor= --display="$DISPLAY" "$@"; else exec emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame; fi' placeholder %F Icon=emacs Type=Application Terminal=false Categories=Development;TextEditor; StartupWMClass=Emacsd Keywords=Text;Editor; +Actions=new-window;new-instance; + +[Desktop Action new-instance] +Name=New Window +Exec=emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame %F + +[Desktop Action new-instance] +Name=New Instance +Exec=emacs %F -- 2.31.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop 2021-06-24 13:28 ` Peter Oliver @ 2021-06-24 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2021-06-24 15:50 ` Peter Oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-06-24 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Peter Oliver; +Cc: 49195 > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 14:28:29 +0100 (BST) > From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@mavit.org.uk> > cc: 49195@debbugs.gnu.org > > > FWIW, I would find this change surprising, > > For someone to be unpleasantly surprised by this, they would need to launch emacsclient.desktop with the hope that it would fail because an Emacs daemon is not already running. If they want it to fail, why would they try to launch it? Because they don't remember whether they did or didn't start a server? Happens to me from time to time. > > and therefore would suggest to leave this off by default. But that's me. > > I’m not sure what off by default would mean in this context. What it is now. > > More generally, I'm not sure we should even say this in the Emacs > > manual, as these features belong to the desktop, not to Emacs. > > This section of the manual already describes how to start Emacs from systemd, which isn’t part of Emacs either. systemd support code is in emacs.c, so that is (borderline) okay. What you describe is just normal desktop invocation, AFAIU. > + If your operating system’s desktop environment is > +@url{https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/,,freedesktop.org-compatible} > +(which is true of most GNU/Linux and other recent Unix-like GUIs), you > +may use the @dfn{Emacs (Client)} menu entry to connect to an Emacs It is wrong to use @dfn here, since this is not new terminology you are introducing. Better use @samp. > +server with @command{emacsclient}. If the daemon is not already > +running, it will be started for you. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please try rephrasing this to avoid passive tense. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop 2021-06-24 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-06-24 15:50 ` Peter Oliver 2021-06-30 13:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Peter Oliver @ 2021-06-24 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 49195 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1064 bytes --] On Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> More generally, I'm not sure we should even say this in the Emacs >>> manual, as these features belong to the desktop, not to Emacs. >> >> This section of the manual already describes how to start Emacs from systemd, which isn’t part of Emacs either. > > systemd support code is in emacs.c, so that is (borderline) okay. > What you describe is just normal desktop invocation, AFAIU. It’s not normal to provide two different desktop entries for launching an application in slightly different ways. However, I don’t object if we think that this addition to the manual is superfluous and decide to drop it. >> +may use the @dfn{Emacs (Client)} menu entry to connect to an Emacs > > It is wrong to use @dfn here, since this is not new terminology you > are introducing. Better use @samp. > >> +server with @command{emacsclient}. If the daemon is not already >> +running, it will be started for you. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Please try rephrasing this to avoid passive tense. Done. -- Peter Oliver [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 4364 bytes --] From 1a2e04aead42c8ea13bdf7af2019a12b2df37ee7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Peter Oliver <git@mavit.org.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:04:17 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] From .desktop files, reuse a frame or start a new Emacs as required * doc/emacs/misc.texi: (Using Emacs as a Server) Explain emacsclient.desktop. * etc/NEWS: (Emacs Server): Explain emacsclient.desktop. * emacs-mail.desktop, etc/emacsclient.desktop: Automatically try to reuse an existing frame, open a new frame, or start a new Emacs daemon. Add actions for specific behaviours. --- doc/emacs/misc.texi | 7 +++++++ etc/NEWS | 8 ++++++++ etc/emacs-mail.desktop | 16 +++++++++++++--- etc/emacsclient.desktop | 11 ++++++++++- 4 files changed, 38 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/misc.texi b/doc/emacs/misc.texi index 027133cc3a..3c11a39de9 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/misc.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/misc.texi @@ -1757,6 +1757,13 @@ Emacs Server @code{3}. (If there is no server with that name, an error is signaled.) Currently, this feature is mainly useful for developers. + If your operating system’s desktop environment is +@url{https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/,,freedesktop.org-compatible} +(which is true of most GNU/Linux and other recent Unix-like GUIs), you +may use the @samp{Emacs (Client)} menu entry to connect to an Emacs +server with @command{emacsclient}. The daemon starts if not +already running. + @menu * TCP Emacs server:: Listening to a TCP socket. * Invoking emacsclient:: Connecting to the Emacs server. diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index 64b39d737a..1f489c0750 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -539,6 +539,14 @@ an edit instead of marking it as "Done" (which the 'C-x #' command does). The 'emacsclient' program exits with an abnormal status as result of this command. ++++ +*** New desktop integration for connecting to the server. +If your operating system’s desktop environment is +freedesktop.org-compatible (which is true of most GNU/Linux and other +recent Unix-like GUIs), you may use the new "Emacs (Client)" desktop +menu entry to open files in an existing Emacs instance rather than +starting a new one. The daemon starts if not already running. + ** Perl mode --- diff --git a/etc/emacs-mail.desktop b/etc/emacs-mail.desktop index 0c5fab1dd1..251afa100c 100644 --- a/etc/emacs-mail.desktop +++ b/etc/emacs-mail.desktop @@ -1,12 +1,22 @@ [Desktop Entry] Categories=Network;Email; Comment=GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor - and more -Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u -# If you prefer to use emacsclient, use this instead -#Exec=emacsclient -e '(message-mailto "%u")' Icon=emacs Name=Emacs (Mail) MimeType=x-scheme-handler/mailto; NoDisplay=false Terminal=false Type=Application + +Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u +# # If you prefer to use emacsclient, use this instead: +# Exec=sh -c 'emacsclient --alternate-editor= --display="$DISPLAY" --eval "(message-mailto \"%u\")"' +# Actions=new-window;new-instance; + +# [Desktop Action new-window] +# Name=New Window +# Exec=emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame --eval '(message-mailto "%u")' + +# [Desktop Action new-instance] +# Name=New Instance +# Exec=emacs -f message-mailto %u diff --git a/etc/emacsclient.desktop b/etc/emacsclient.desktop index 3feb83c729..43f2c31ddd 100644 --- a/etc/emacsclient.desktop +++ b/etc/emacsclient.desktop @@ -3,10 +3,19 @@ Name=Emacs (Client) GenericName=Text Editor Comment=Edit text MimeType=text/english;text/plain;text/x-makefile;text/x-c++hdr;text/x-c++src;text/x-chdr;text/x-csrc;text/x-java;text/x-moc;text/x-pascal;text/x-tcl;text/x-tex;application/x-shellscript;text/x-c;text/x-c++; -Exec=emacsclient -c %F +Exec=sh -c 'if [ -n "$*" ]; then exec emacsclient --alternate-editor= --display="$DISPLAY" "$@"; else exec emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame; fi' placeholder %F Icon=emacs Type=Application Terminal=false Categories=Development;TextEditor; StartupWMClass=Emacsd Keywords=Text;Editor; +Actions=new-window;new-instance; + +[Desktop Action new-instance] +Name=New Window +Exec=emacsclient --alternate-editor= --create-frame %F + +[Desktop Action new-instance] +Name=New Instance +Exec=emacs %F -- 2.31.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#49195: Starting Emacs if required from emacsclient.desktop 2021-06-24 15:50 ` Peter Oliver @ 2021-06-30 13:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-06-30 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Peter Oliver; +Cc: 49195 Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@mavit.org.uk> writes: >> Please try rephrasing this to avoid passive tense. > > Done. Thanks; applied to Emacs 28. (There was a merge conflict because of the later patch I applied before this one, so if you could examine the result and see whether I messed up, that'd be nice.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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