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From: Heime via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't'
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 13:26:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <_hKt5j_6bUwtEyWyE-e6GenkfdjfDll8AAVkejgxh3gyiYkvovpnhPNs1-ijjzyQaXlAJNSKb917yFQKrejO0q4tTql2vw0iu35n-JbUl8w=@protonmail.com> (raw)
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On Thursday, September 14th, 2023 at 1:13 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:


> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:41:01 +0000
> > From: Heime via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> > the Swiss army knife of text editors" bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > 
> > Any time one wants to write (insert) into a read-only buffer (e.g. help),
> > one has to make it writable. Doesn't matter when that time is. If it's
> > read-only you need to make it writable to write into it.
> > 
> > Reading the source for 'with-help-window', it arranges for 'inhibit-read-only'
> > to be set to 't' around the call to its body. Once the body finishes, that
> > temporary binding goes out of scope and read-only is in effect again.
> > 
> > The aforementioned resetting of 'inhibit-read-only' to 't' is an important
> > feature that should be included in the docstring for the function 'with-help-window'.
> 
> 
> I disagree. The use of inhibit-read-only is an implementation detail
> of with-help-window (and of many other functions in Emacs); mentioning
> it in the doc string will IMO have no useful purpose.
> 
> The doc string of "C-x C-q" (read-only-mode) does mention
> inhibit-read-only, which is I think a much more reasonable place for a
> reference to that variable.
> 
> Stefan, WDYT?

Docstrings have become so short at times that reading them is of no practical 
use.  The reality of it is not simply an implementation detail of no consequence.
Because if a developers knows that detail, ho would refrain form introducing
things like 

(with-help-window (help-buffer)
  (setq buffer-read-only nil)
  (insert " Graphic Organisation")
  (setq buffer-read-only t))

and instead immediately write

(with-help-window (help-buffer)
  (insert " Graphic Organisation"))



 






  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-13 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-13 10:41 bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-13 13:26   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-09-13 13:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-13 14:26       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 14:04   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-13 14:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-13 14:54       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 15:21         ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-13 19:03         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-13 19:16           ` uzibalqa via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-14  4:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-14 10:41               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-14 12:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-14 13:17                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-14 16:03               ` Drew Adams
2023-09-14 16:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-14 16:40                   ` Christopher Dimech
2023-09-14 16:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-14 19:04                       ` Christopher Dimech
2023-09-14 16:29                 ` Christopher Dimech
2023-09-13 14:51     ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 15:14       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-13 15:34         ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-13 15:51           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-13 16:24             ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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