From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68200: 30.0.50; Emacs reloads init file when calling `documentation' Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:40:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8734vgjya9.fsf@web.de> <83wmsrzxtk.fsf@gnu.org> <875y056hvj.fsf@web.de> <8334v9simj.fsf@gnu.org> <877ckloxos.fsf@web.de> <83r0iqptu5.fsf@gnu.org> <831qanllpb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38455"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 68200@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 11 20:41:22 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0vZ-0009p7-Ka for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:41:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0vN-0004fV-55; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:41:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0vJ-0004fC-79 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:41:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0vI-0002Fn-On for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:41:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0vG-0007M0-7X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:41:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68200 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68200-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68200.170500201628207 (code B ref 68200); Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68200) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2024 19:40:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0uW-0007Ks-0c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:40:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:27375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rO0uT-0007Ke-Lb for 68200@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:40:15 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 89479 invoked by uid 3782); 11 Jan 2024 20:40:09 +0100 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4fe15a91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.90.145]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:40:09 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 30444 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Jan 2024 19:40:09 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <831qanllpb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277940 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 21:22:08 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 18:10:58 +0000 > > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 68200@debbugs.gnu.org, > > acm@muc.de > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > No, 40MB is far from being negligible. > > It's not negligible compared with the rest of Emacs, but is less than ¼% > > of the RAM in a machine with 16GB. > No, it isn't, because most of those 16GB are in use at any given > moment. I'm sure they're not on my machine. But I'm glad RAM is now measured in GB, not MB. > > No, the bug has been fixed. But, as Michael pointed out, lots of things > > are being done with doc strings now which weren't being done when the > > dynamic doc strings were introduced. Indeed, they were surely a > > workaround for limited RAM in machines a very long time ago. > > Now that we're doing more with doc strings, the inconvenience of not > > getting a doc string after editing a source file might well outweigh the > > relatively small amount of RAM that these doc strings need. > > Hence the suggestion to change the default. > Since I disagree with your argument about memory being available for > free, I also disagree with the suggestion that is based on that > argument. No problem. If I find annoyance with files continually reloading, like Michael did, I can always set my own value of that variable. Have a good evening! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).