From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 66267@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#66267: Document cl-print.el in the CL manual.
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 20:42:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZSW3JaoDtm_0r83x@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bkd6ux40.fsf@gnu.org>
Hello, Eli.
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 21:54:23 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 16:49:29 +0000
> > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 66267@debbugs.gnu.org
> > From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> > > > +should respect @code{print-length}, @code{print-level}, and
> > > > +@code{cl-print-string-length}. @var{limit} may be @code{nil} or zero
> > > > +in which case @var{print-function} will be called with these settings
> > > > +bound to @code{nil}, and it can also be @code{t} in which case
> > > > +@var{print-function} will be called with their current values.
> > > > +
> > > > +Use this function with @code{cl-prin1} to print an object,
> > > > +abbreviating it with ellipses to fit within a size limit.
> > > ^^^^^^^^
> > > "ellipsis"
> > No. "EllipsEs" is the plural of "ellipsIs".
> ??? You say "abbreviating it with ellipses". "It" is singular, so it
> gets abbreviated with only one ellipsis, not with several ones.
Not necessarily. Something like a cons structure or vector printed by
cl-prin1 can have several, or even many ellipses in it. Last week I got
a line from an ERT backtrace containing 42 ellipses - which incidentally
made it nearly useless for debugging.
New cl-print-object methods are likely to be for complex structures
rather than one-dimensional atoms, hence are likely to abbreviate several
substructures rather than just the top-level one.
Would, perhaps, the following be better: "Use this function with
@code{cl-prin1} to print an object, abbreviating it with ZERO OR MORE
ellipses to fit within a size limit."?
> > > > +@code{cl-defgeneric} which is defined for several types of
> > > Please add here a cross-reference to where cl-defgeneric is described.
> > There is no documentation for cl-defgeneric and cl-defmethod except,
> > perhaps, in their doc strings.
> Of course, there is: see "(elisp) Generic Functions".
Sorry about that. I didn't think of looking anywhere but the CL manual
for cl- functions.
I'll add that/those cross-reference(s).
> > > > +You can write @code{cl-print-object} @code{cl-defmethod}s for other
> > > > +types of @var{object}, thus extending @code{cl-prin1}. If you write
> > > > +such a method which uses ellipses, you should also write a
> > > ^^^^^^^^
> > > "ellipsis"
> > See above.
> See above.
No, here the plural is definitely required, because any particular
cl-print-object method will print (i.e. "use") many ellipses, not all
identical, in the course of its working life.
By the way, I forgot one detail about the patch. I've written it on the
assumption that bug #66392 "Add raw printing for byte compiled functions
to cl-prin1, etc." gets OK'd. Stefan M. has already explicitly expressed
no objection to it. If that bug isn't OK, it's a simple matter to amend
the cl.texi patch. Would you take a quick peep at it, please? Thanks!
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-10 20:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-29 16:40 bug#66267: Document cl-print.el in the CL manual Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-29 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-09 17:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-10 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-10 16:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-10 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-10 20:42 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2023-10-11 12:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-11 15:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
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