From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kelly Dean Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19068: Mail file vars aren't derived from customized message-directory Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:11:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83r3udmuvp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422602057 20891 80.91.229.3 (30 Jan 2015 07:14:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19068@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 30 08:14:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5mN-0007Ll-3o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:14:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35071 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5mM-00005N-Gj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:14:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47031) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5mI-00004w-Py for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:14:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5mF-00082c-KJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:14:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38250) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5mF-00082Y-G7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:14:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5mD-00008S-L5; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:14:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Kelly Dean Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19068 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19068-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19068.1422601983430 (code B ref 19068); Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19068) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2015 07:13:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57722 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5lH-00006q-5o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:45259) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH5lF-00006P-6H for 19068@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mfilter35-d.gandi.net (mfilter35-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.166]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E9FFB8A3; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:12:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter35-d.gandi.net Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]) by mfilter35-d.gandi.net (mfilter35-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7xIlVzarwbJu; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:12:58 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 66.220.3.179 Original-Received: from localhost (gm179.geneticmail.com [66.220.3.179]) (Authenticated sender: kelly@prtime.org) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1E37FB89F; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:12:56 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <83r3udmuvp.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98893 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Also, >> grep -r "~/Mail/" emacs-24.4/lisp/ | grep 'el:' >> gives 19 hits, all of which are inappropriate if ~/Mail isn't supposed= to be hardcoded. If ~/Mail is supposed to be hardcoded, then the message= -directory variable should be removed, to avoid misleading users. > > This is a red herring: all of these hits are either in comments or in > default values of other defcustoms. If a user renames his =E2=8C=9CMail=E2=8C=9D directory to =E2=8C=9Cmail=E2= =8C=9D, then he'll want all the things that previously used =E2=8C=9CMail= =E2=8C=9D to use =E2=8C=9Cmail=E2=8C=9D. Manually changing them all is te= dious and error-prone, so it'd be nice to have one place to make the chan= ge. In Emacs, message-directory advertises itself as that place. I lowercased my mail directory name both because it's easier to type that= way (don't have to press shift), and because some other things already u= se the lowercase version by default, and there was no reason to use both = upper- and lower-case versions.