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From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: 75275@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 15:55:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z3a2-RmDhLWYWBoU@faroe.holly.idiocy.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2pll5grbk.fsf@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 02, 2025 at 04:37:19PM +0100, Gerd Möllmann wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:03:50 +0000
> >> From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, stefankangas@gmail.com,
> >> 	75275@debbugs.gnu.org
> >> 
> >> > > I don't know.  Is there anything in the following code that can be
> >> > > relevant to a non-main thread?  Note that non-main threads can
> >> > > legitimately call wait_reading_process_output, which calls ns_select.
> >> > > For example, what happens if a non-main Lisp thread starts a
> >> > > sub-process? we do expect to be able to read the output from that
> >> > > sub-process.
> >> 
> >> My take on how this works was that in a non-main thread ns_select
> >> should just act like pselect, hence it used to literally just call
> >> pselect and return.
> >
> > In general, this is not right: calls to ns_select are expected to call
> > thread_select, in all threads, so that other threads could get a
> > chance on grabbing the global lock while this (non-main) thread waits
> > for sub-process output.
> 
> I think Alan meant thread_select(pselect, ...) because that's what is
> already done in ns_select_1.

Yes, sorry. What Gerd said.

> But... when I look at fd_handler, that function calls pselect directly.
> 
>           result = pselect (nfds, &readfds, wfds, NULL, tmo, NULL);
> 
> 
> Can that be right?

I think that's OK as we've already called thread_select further up.
I've a vague memory of putting this in as a work-around.

We call thread_select with a zero timeout to give other threads a
chance to grab the lock, then carry on as normal, running the run loop
and fd_handler which calls pselect.

To be fair, though, I think when we set this up I didn't understand
the code as well as I do now, so perhaps it was the wrong thing to do.
-- 
Alan Third





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-02 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-02  4:57 bug#75275: 30.0.92; `make-thread` bug on macOS 15.2 Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  5:46 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  5:55   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  6:47   ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  7:12     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:35       ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 14:38         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:45           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:19             ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02 16:06               ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:47                 ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 16:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:09                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 17:25                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:42                         ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:48                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:37                       ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 17:46                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 17:52                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 19:26                             ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 19:59                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 16:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:58       ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  7:30   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02  8:33       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:41         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:04             ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 11:03               ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 13:05                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 13:53                   ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 14:03                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 14:17                       ` Alan Third
2025-01-02 15:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 15:37                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02 15:55                     ` Alan Third [this message]
2025-01-02 16:08                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  8:51         ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-02  7:31   ` Stefan Kangas
2025-01-02  8:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-02 10:31     ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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