From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 56305@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
acm@muc.de
Subject: bug#56305: 29.0.50; 'yes-or-no-p' deselects minibuffer frame
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 17:09:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YsRwXEym1mBWgxuD@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zghn7ckd.fsf@gnu.org>
Hello, Eli.
On Tue, Jul 05, 2022 at 19:24:02 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 15:59:00 +0000
> > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 56305@debbugs.gnu.org
> > From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> > > > After typing C-x C-c, rather than exiting, this particular Emacs
> > > > prompts:
> > > > "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no) "
> > > > on MBF and it opens a window *Process List* on NF.
> > > Sounds right to me: the frame where Emacs presents some important
> > > information has focus. If you think this is wrong, please tell why.
> > Well, I don't have a firm opinion on this, but yes-or-no-p is an active
> > function, here. We always leave the minibuffer as the selected window
> > for this function, certainly when we've a normal minibuffer in the frame.
> > Why should it be different when we've got a minibuffer-only frame?
> > Also, the mechanism by which NF gets the focus in the bug scenario
> > appears to be random. When the focus starts out in NF and we do C-x C-c,
> > the focus moves to MBF. This is inconsistent.
> > The place where the randomness takes effect is the
> > Fredirect_frame_focus (gfocus, frame);
> > in do_switch_frame I drew attention to yesterday.
> Do you have a suggestion for a change there to improve the behavior?
As yet, no. I am still having trouble understanding the code well
enough.
But there's at least one interesting aspect. In the Elisp manual page
"Input Focus" appears the following:
Lisp programs can switch frames temporarily by calling the function
`select-frame'. This does not alter the window system's concept of
focus; rather, it escapes from the window manager's control until that
control is somehow reasserted.
This is sadly not true - the functions called by that
Fredirect_frame_focus in do_switch_frame do indeed change the window
system's focus - in particular x_frame_rehighlight (in xterm.c). If we
were to change the code rather than the manual here, I think a fair bit
of confusion would vanish. But this isn't something for the release
branch. ;-)
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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2022-06-29 17:54 bug#56305: 29.0.50; 'yes-or-no-p' deselects minibuffer frame martin rudalics
2022-06-29 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-30 10:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-30 20:32 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-02 11:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-03 8:16 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-03 16:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-03 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-04 19:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-04 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-04 19:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-05 2:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-05 15:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-05 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-05 17:09 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2022-07-06 17:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-06 18:16 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-06 18:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-07-06 19:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-06 19:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-07-06 19:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-07 17:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-07 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-08 21:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-09 2:15 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 7:55 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-07 9:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-08 7:01 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-08 10:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-08 11:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-08 18:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-09 8:36 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-08 21:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-07-09 8:35 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-09 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-10 8:07 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-10 11:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-10 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-10 12:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-10 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-10 16:13 ` Drew Adams
2022-07-10 16:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 7:45 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-11 11:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 7:33 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-12 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-11 16:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-11 17:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-11 17:34 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-11 20:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-11 17:06 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-11 20:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-12 7:35 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-12 14:56 ` Drew Adams
2022-07-16 7:06 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-16 20:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-18 7:36 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-18 14:44 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-19 8:09 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-19 16:04 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-16 23:39 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-17 11:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-17 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-17 15:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-18 7:37 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-18 14:58 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-18 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-18 16:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-18 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-19 20:48 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-20 12:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-20 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-20 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-21 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-21 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-19 8:09 ` martin rudalics
2022-07-07 15:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-04 19:46 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-04 19:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
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