From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37267: 27.0.50; Menus "About GNU" and "GNU and Freedom" to be made offline Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:52:00 +0300 Message-ID: References: <864l1vw7jw.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> <87k0e3cgnx.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28882"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.5+104 (cd3a5c8) (2022-01-09) Cc: Glenn Morris , 37267@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 10 09:56:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5Ff-0007K4-Bc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:56:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42622 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5Fd-0000lA-UB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:56:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5FC-0000kE-EA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:56:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5FB-0007ZF-Tg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:56:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5FB-0007Z8-Tp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:56:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37267 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 37267-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37267.164448334329045 (code B ref 37267); Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:56:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37267) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 08:55:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5Et-0007YO-6d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:55:43 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:38687) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5Er-0007Y7-3n for 37267@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:55:41 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.6.75]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000067F38.000000006204D305.00002017; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:55:33 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87k0e3cgnx.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:226567 Archived-At: * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-02-10 10:41]: > Glenn Morris writes: > > > Yes, why should Emacs have to distribute these files (after no > > objections to a 5-year removal process), as opposed to any other GNU project? > > I don't think there's much point in including these files in the Emacs > distribution -- they're general, and having them in a central place is > makes more sense. You are developer of Emacs in developed country. From your viewpoint it is easy to forget that majority of this world does not have Internet access and they are unable to access "central place" which implies it is place on Internet. I am in under-developed countries on projects. Reason for the request is that distribution of Emacs and GNU is going on in these countries by means of DVD ROMs, and not by means of Internet. Same is for movies, they are purchased as DVD ROMs, rather than downloaded as about 99.9% of people do not have a fixed Internet access, they use it over their mobile connection provided they do have a smart phone and know how to connect to computer. Majority of those people earn less than 80 dollars per month and don't pay for Internet access. Those students here use GNU/Linux but not necessarily have Internet, they make their reports, works, etc. If I just speak of one country here, that is about 45 millions of people, if I speak of 3 countries in East Africa there are 150 millions of people, and there is 54 countries on the African continent. Then there are countries such as those in Central and South America, and Asian countries. We use here Internet cafes, something that you may not be able to find in your country easily as of today. They disappeared from developed countries. Majority of the world is much less developed and have difficulties to access Internet including to download easy any software they want. This statement may be much contrary to what you perceive of the world. Travel around and get acquainted. But computer users do pay for their software on DVD ROMs and that is how GNU/Linux is installed. If you only assume you are developing Emacs for developed countries, you have got a valid point. I would deem such development rather discriminatory and not helpful from teaching viewpoint. If you put those files inside of Emacs, waste number of people will get access to learn about GNU and free software. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/