From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41403: A more user-friendly version of GNU Emacs Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 22:42:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87lflny20s.fsf@web.de> <87zgsbtaqr.fsf@gnus.org> <8735q2t3d9.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee9hy9ce.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7edwm3r.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38481"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Andrew Goh , 41403@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 22 23:43:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA1H-0009qD-Pq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 23:43:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47640 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA1G-0007vW-D9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:43:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA18-0007vM-J1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40434) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA18-0006Hz-BN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA18-0000qS-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 21:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41403 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41403-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41403.16323469583207 (code B ref 41403); Wed, 22 Sep 2021 21:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2021 21:42:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA0k-0000pf-DS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:42:38 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:47395) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA0h-0000pO-RN for 41403@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:42:37 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47D7E187; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 21:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1632346948; bh=8t24Xex8kDNjHLZdcYvTtRLZCJmGWl0YsoE10GjavMk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=KI6g2NI/D6oTL/M75LzvPurTPLsscb7nb6TNYFSxBB5s6V2frbAbDPMKDfCqr1rfk ij2gMOzNGiqGpi+7Gcg78Obv0TD8JZ0bGuN1EWikGRlsSO93E8dtIpqne0NZWakvtt T1A7H8RpvvWsQhwi/7/E9sk8U8DfK5gPe/0OForqWNWJk1CWMEoA7EL5i0H7X4DB5O 28E4kdnwKUo2Y+D4shXGniYUmvHhNEkSjOdnsVukmFdF7j3DumFP1Lks8kdRLTzOKI h2vxDGmyfcZCnsfdp47u5GWLrA3YlAr1D9EWrUB4vEge6WWmChmzvJdx72zIQUzTx7 T4mwPeTEZ9dGQ== Original-Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTA0W-00057q-CN; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 22:42:24 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Stefan Kangas , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Michael Heerdegen , Andrew Goh , 41403@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215141 Archived-At: On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 04:41:40PM +0200, Stefan Kangas wrote: > (Many users move meta to the "cmd" key (⌘), because it is much more > ergonomic on an Apple keyboard. I have no idea why this isn't the > default.) Because we define NEXTstep shortcuts which are all on the command key, so if we used it for meta as well they would get in each others way quite quickly. Plus the Mac's "option" is actually the same key as an IBM keyboard's "alt", so when you plug in a PC keyboard alt and super do exactly what you'd expect. In fact Apple keyboards even have "alt" written on the option key. And I think saying it's "much more ergonomic" is overstating the case a little. The keys are right next to each other. -- Alan Third