bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

In emacs -Q, I can see that Info-quoted face is too small and has no
attributes, it does not help in readability of the info file. 

Face: Info-quoted (sample) (customize this face)

Documentation:
Face used for quoted elements.

Defined in ‘info.el’.


           Family: unspecified
          Foundry: unspecified
            Width: unspecified
           Height: unspecified
           Weight: unspecified
            Slant: unspecified
       Foreground: unspecified
DistantForeground: unspecified
       Background: unspecified
        Underline: unspecified
         Overline: unspecified
   Strike-through: unspecified
              Box: unspecified
          Inverse: unspecified
          Stipple: unspecified
             Font: unspecified
          Fontset: unspecified
           Extend: unspecified
          Inherit: fixed-pitch-serif

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In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.17.4, Xaw scroll bars)
 of 2021-03-22 built on protected.rcdrun.com
Repository revision: cb5d1fe1aa9f280d60fcb33b58fc83ace3d95081
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12010000
Configured using:
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Memory information:
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 (string-bytes 1 750588)
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-- 
Thanks,
Jean Louis
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bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:17:44 +0300
> 
> In emacs -Q, I can see that Info-quoted face is too small and has no
> attributes, it does not help in readability of the info file. 
> 
> Face: Info-quoted (sample) (customize this face)

That's something specific to your setup, I don't see any such problem
here.

What are the attributes of the fixed-pitch-serif face on that system?

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-23 14:09]:
> > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:17:44 +0300
> > 
> > In emacs -Q, I can see that Info-quoted face is too small and has no
> > attributes, it does not help in readability of the info file. 
> > 
> > Face: Info-quoted (sample) (customize this face)
> 
> That's something specific to your setup, I don't see any such problem
> here.
> 
> What are the attributes of the fixed-pitch-serif face on that system?

How do I get attributes for that?

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Eli Zaretskii]

On March 24, 2021 12:02:33 PM GMT+02:00, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
> * Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-23 14:09]:
> > > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:17:44 +0300
> > > 
> > > In emacs -Q, I can see that Info-quoted face is too small and has
> no
> > > attributes, it does not help in readability of the info file. 
> > > 
> > > Face: Info-quoted (sample) (customize this face)
> > 
> > That's something specific to your setup, I don't see any such
> problem
> > here.
> > 
> > What are the attributes of the fixed-pitch-serif face on that
> system?
> 
> How do I get attributes for that?

M-x customize-face RET fixed-pitch-serif RET

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-24 13:33]:
> On March 24, 2021 12:02:33 PM GMT+02:00, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
> > * Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-23 14:09]:
> > > > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > > > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:17:44 +0300
> > > > 
> > > > In emacs -Q, I can see that Info-quoted face is too small and has
> > no
> > > > attributes, it does not help in readability of the info file. 
> > > > 
> > > > Face: Info-quoted (sample) (customize this face)
> > > 
> > > That's something specific to your setup, I don't see any such
> > problem
> > > here.
> > > 
> > > What are the attributes of the fixed-pitch-serif face on that
> > system?
> > 
> > How do I get attributes for that?
> 
> M-x customize-face RET fixed-pitch-serif RET

Hide Fixed Pitch Serif face: [sample]
    State : STANDARD.
   The basic fixed-pitch face with serifs.
   [X] Font Family: Monospace Serif
   [ ] Font Foundry: --
   [ ] Width: --
   [ ] Height: --
   [ ] Weight: --
   [ ] Slant: --
   [ ] Underline: --
   [ ] Overline: --
   [ ] Strike-through: --
   [ ] Box around text: --
   [ ] Inverse-video: --
   [ ] Foreground: --
   [ ] Distant Foreground: --
   [ ] Background: --
   [ ] Stipple: --
   [ ] Extend: --
   [ ] Inherit: --
   Hide Unused Attributes

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:26:40 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > > > That's something specific to your setup, I don't see any such
> > > problem
> > > > here.
> > > > 
> > > > What are the attributes of the fixed-pitch-serif face on that
> > > system?
> > > 
> > > How do I get attributes for that?
> > 
> > M-x customize-face RET fixed-pitch-serif RET
> 
> Hide Fixed Pitch Serif face: [sample]
>     State : STANDARD.
>    The basic fixed-pitch face with serifs.
>    [X] Font Family: Monospace Serif

So what is this "Monospace Serif" font used here?

What does the following produce (in "emacs -Q", please):

  M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-25 09:30]:
> > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:26:40 +0300
> > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > > > > That's something specific to your setup, I don't see any such
> > > > problem
> > > > > here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What are the attributes of the fixed-pitch-serif face on that
> > > > system?
> > > > 
> > > > How do I get attributes for that?
> > > 
> > > M-x customize-face RET fixed-pitch-serif RET
> > 
> > Hide Fixed Pitch Serif face: [sample]
> >     State : STANDARD.
> >    The basic fixed-pitch face with serifs.
> >    [X] Font Family: Monospace Serif
> 
> So what is this "Monospace Serif" font used here?
> 
> What does the following produce (in "emacs -Q", please):
> 
>   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET

"-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:57:06 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > So what is this "Monospace Serif" font used here?
> > 
> > What does the following produce (in "emacs -Q", please):
> > 
> >   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET
> 
> "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"

And the same for 'default face?

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[max.brieiev]

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

>> > > M-x customize-face RET fixed-pitch-serif RET
>> > 
>> > Hide Fixed Pitch Serif face: [sample]
>> >     State : STANDARD.
>> >    The basic fixed-pitch face with serifs.
>> >    [X] Font Family: Monospace Serif
>> 
>> So what is this "Monospace Serif" font used here?
>> 
>> What does the following produce (in "emacs -Q", please):
>> 
>>   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET
>
> "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"

This looks like fontconfig fallbacks to some xorg default bitmap font
(and it is also not configured to scale bitmap fonts). You may configure
fontconfig to recognize "Monospace Serif" family explicitly or you can
install any font family listed in `face-font-family-alternatives`. For
example, you can install 'gnu fonts' package and emacs will use FreeMono
family provided by the package as alternative to Monospace Serif.

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

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* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-26 14:19]:
> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:57:06 +0300
> > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > > So what is this "Monospace Serif" font used here?
> > > 
> > > What does the following produce (in "emacs -Q", please):
> > > 
> > >   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET
> > 
> > "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"
> 
> And the same for 'default face?

"-ADBO-Source Code Pro-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"

My Emacs looks fine, but I do not have many fonts installed. In
relation to handling

When info manual is opened first time, the Info-quote looks about same
as the other fonts. But if other font like default is enlargerd or
zoomed, Info quote remains so small.

You may see it on the attached screenshot, where it says 'GNU Emacs
Lisp Reference Manual'

Jean


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bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

* max.brieiev@gmail.com <max.brieiev@gmail.com> [2021-03-26 20:45]:
> Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
> 
> >> > > M-x customize-face RET fixed-pitch-serif RET
> >> > 
> >> > Hide Fixed Pitch Serif face: [sample]
> >> >     State : STANDARD.
> >> >    The basic fixed-pitch face with serifs.
> >> >    [X] Font Family: Monospace Serif
> >> 
> >> So what is this "Monospace Serif" font used here?
> >> 
> >> What does the following produce (in "emacs -Q", please):
> >> 
> >>   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET
> >
> > "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"
> 
> This looks like fontconfig fallbacks to some xorg default bitmap font
> (and it is also not configured to scale bitmap fonts). You may configure
> fontconfig to recognize "Monospace Serif" family explicitly or you can
> install any font family listed in `face-font-family-alternatives`. For
> example, you can install 'gnu fonts' package and emacs will use FreeMono
> family provided by the package as alternative to Monospace Serif.

I have installed package GNU fonts and it looks now better, there is
no zooming problem.

Yet I am not sure if it is Emacs problem or not.

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:05:08 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > > >   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET
> > > 
> > > "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"
> > 
> > And the same for 'default face?
> 
> "-ADBO-Source Code Pro-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
> 
> My Emacs looks fine, but I do not have many fonts installed. In
> relation to handling
> 
> When info manual is opened first time, the Info-quote looks about same
> as the other fonts. But if other font like default is enlargerd or
> zoomed, Info quote remains so small.

That's because the font used for fixed-pitch-serif is bitmapped, so it
doesn't scale.  You need to install better fonts, as someone
suggested.

I don't think it's an Emacs problem.

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Jean Louis]

* Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2021-03-27 11:03]:
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:05:08 +0300
> > From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> > Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > > > >   M-: (face-font 'fixed-pitch-serif) RET
> > > > 
> > > > "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"
> > > 
> > > And the same for 'default face?
> > 
> > "-ADBO-Source Code Pro-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
> > 
> > My Emacs looks fine, but I do not have many fonts installed. In
> > relation to handling
> > 
> > When info manual is opened first time, the Info-quote looks about same
> > as the other fonts. But if other font like default is enlargerd or
> > zoomed, Info quote remains so small.
> 
> That's because the font used for fixed-pitch-serif is bitmapped, so it
> doesn't scale.  You need to install better fonts, as someone
> suggested.
> 
> I don't think it's an Emacs problem.

If not Emacs problem, please close the bug, I forgot how. Thank you.

Jean

bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:43:02 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: 47339@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > That's because the font used for fixed-pitch-serif is bitmapped, so it
> > doesn't scale.  You need to install better fonts, as someone
> > suggested.
> > 
> > I don't think it's an Emacs problem.
> 
> If not Emacs problem, please close the bug, I forgot how. Thank you.

Done.  (See admin/notes/bugtracker for how to close bugs, and other
related issues.)

bug#47339: [External] : bug#47339: 28.0.50; Info-quoted face: no attributes, looks too small

[Drew Adams]

> That's because the font used for fixed-pitch-serif is bitmapped, so it
> doesn't scale.  You need to install better fonts, as someone
> suggested.
> 
> I don't think it's an Emacs problem.

I wonder if the Emacs doc for scaling should mention
something about this.