From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44983: Truncate long lines of grep output Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:57:26 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87zh2q61n6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <3620abd0-ce79-cc9d-3fb2-255e91f13da1@yandex.ru> <87mtyo3x1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <857088a6-fe90-d989-9115-2c159b2a02e6@yandex.ru> <87lfe6x1uf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87czzi2ju2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87bley7o4a.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18502"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: 44983@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 13 18:38:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1koVKR-0004iB-Nc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:38:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59410 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koVKQ-0002Pk-II for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:38:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koVF1-0001jF-9t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:33:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koVF1-0002IC-0U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:33:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1koVF0-0001jr-UB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:33:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 17:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44983 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44983-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44983.16078807326617 (code B ref 44983); Sun, 13 Dec 2020 17:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44983) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2020 17:32:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50035 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1koVEC-0001if-BL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:32:12 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:35033) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1koVEA-0001iS-UI for 44983@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:32:11 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.185]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000308F4.000000005FD65012.00004CFE; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:32:02 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87bley7o4a.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:195982 Archived-At: * Juri Linkov [2020-12-13 00:09]: > > I do not find it problematic. Grep is anyway kind of advanced tool. I > > think that Emacs "Search for files (grep)" menu option is anyway not > > user friendly. > > ... > > What would be more user friendly would be a form or wizard that would > > specify if all files are to be searched or recursively, and what would > > be the search term. That would degrade power of grep but it would be > > more user friendly to many people. > > > > In my opinion I believe that majority of users who ever clicked > > "Search Files (grep)" gave up after few attempts. > > Indeed, "Search for files (grep)" menu option is not user friendly. > This is why we added a wizard command "Recursive Grep..." under it > in the same menu. Good for programmers, good for you and good for me. Emacs is for advanced users from that view point. From that view point everything fits into place. >From view point of users coming to Emacs "Recursive Grep" will not have its meaning. Or any meaning at all. It would be good to have a popularity-contest package similar to Debian, where one could gather statistics what is actually used by some users and submit that statistics. Other good test could be to put 5 people together who used computers for last 10 years regardless of their operating system and tell them to open up Emacs and find files containing the term "Emacs" and watch how they are doing.