From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:17:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8cem8pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7i5nbeq.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs3hmk33.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1h8lxzu.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Heime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33936"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: uzibalqa@proton.me, stefankangas@gmail.com, 65913@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 14 15:19:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmFf-0008Zp-7i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:19:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmFM-0004rh-UA; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:19:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmFF-0004iV-Df for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:19:00 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmFF-0000ba-3M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:18:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmFK-0005VT-DU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Heime Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 65913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65913.169469749821114 (code B ref 65913); Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2023 13:18:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmEc-0005UU-5u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:18:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.132]:47985) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgmEX-0005UD-Ao for 65913@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:18:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1694697480; x=1694956680; bh=DLDuLllRrzcqzeqURXHaSbbyATrw8AWpjn1nKbVuAQs=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=QZEePa0+rZlchaU5WdblnA0i7bSYyp5fYDzJ00tr6fk6dQx1UAQITFdXazLlQ3RFT q5TgtIHGbzSHYfOM6AuvqH9Z4gHs5gVOwovPLTMGNK0b9pXkNtQKGexIX7S28d8Lqi 3x3GSt1aQAHwlzMZSNLpW6Z3zIoZi14ESbDpUmXl63gHLfzqWl8hXm5zeuvcSn11SR q0f/fGSx6wA05iVpGAEJo85r+c3GIGkGyQ/Md9TZOG540RKNEYtXmsb9bGm5nDE6eJ d/QvskSV+KfnEt+6xje1JEkGAxUxtnAcQf/DraOr+OtaYZ/Hk4/zpqLen7qLM24BBs fR7/JXTUbVl9g== In-Reply-To: <83y1h8lxzu.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270423 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, September 15th, 2023 at 12:50 AM, Eli Zaretskii w= rote: > > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:41:06 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me, 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gm= ail.com > >=20 > > > So do we. But this issue has nothing to do with how hard it is to > > > work with Emacs. You simply looked for the information you were after > > > in the wrong place, when the right place should have been pretty > > > obvious for someone who writes Lisp programs: the ELisp manual. > >=20 > > Stefan mentioned a project to have the docstring communicate with the m= anual > > so that finding the information will not be too laborious. >=20 >=20 > That's an existing feature, we use it when appropriate. >=20 > > > In general, there's no need to mention in each and every doc string > > > that to learn about some subject you should read the manual where tha= t > > > subject is described. This is trivial, and having to repeat that > > > everywhere will just bloat Emacs for no good reason. Consulting the > > > documentation is one of the first lessons that each Emacs user learns= , > > > and resisting that lesson is not recommended. > >=20 > > There could be some manual or metadata that could provide rapid search > > and association capabilities to find relevant information and avoid muc= h > > manual labour. >=20 > We have commands for that: "M-x apropos", Info-index, and others. Many thanks, shall look into this and see how far that gets me.