From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 06:26:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14502"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 06:27:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVDp-0003es-T4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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GTK and Cairo have profound effects on how Emacs >> > presents itself to the UI. I don't think native compilation is >> > similar, or maybe I'm missing something. What exactly did you think >> > will not be evident to the user, and why should it be evident? >> >> No you are correct, it is essentially transparent to the user. >> >> And this is why is not the first time that a user miss the fact that >> Emacs was compiled with the native compiler or vice versa. Therefore I >> thought was maybe useful to give some visual feedback in the "*About GNU >> Emacs*" buffer. > > Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? > E.g., how is it different from the C compiler switches used to build > Emacs? Just as important as x86_64 or linux-gnu :-). Currently when I press C-h C-a, I get this info (amongst other): GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, cairo version 1.17.3) of 2020-09-07 I think it would be handy if there was a bit more info on that page. I would prefer x64-native GNU/Linux. Why is it less important to know about non-gui features? For me who has turned off most of gui stuff, GTK and Cairo versions are not really what I care about. I have them just to get better font rendering, but now I can maybe compile without at least Gtk? I mean I don't need to know that it is compiled for GNU/Linux; I know I am running on a GNU/Linux OS, or that it is a 64-bit OS, yet info is there. In my case I would have seen that I didn't compile with native compiler support even though I intended (since the configure script failed wihout me noticing). I also wouldn't mind more info about compiler switches used to build the version as well as features/packages built-in. I don't know what is essential more and I don't have any philosophical argument, more than it is sometimes useful.