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Subject: bug#36083: 26.2;
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Hi Eli,

Thanks! You were correct. I found I also had to disable the modifier key co=
mbinations as well, so I did:

    (define-key global-map [noname] 'ignore)
    (define-key global-map [C-noname] 'ignore)
    (define-key global-map [M-noname] 'ignore)

Your input that I should have reported this earlier is well taken - then pe=
rhaps Emacs could have been updated long ago to simply ignore these nonname=
 pseudo keys by default or a workaround documented.

Again, thanks for reaching back out to me on this!

Best regards,

Rick

Rick McCarty
rjmccarty@live.com
________________________________
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 9:13 AM
To: Rick McCarty
Cc: 36083@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#36083: 26.2; Bell every 10 seconds with message "<noname> =
is undefined"

> From: Rick McCarty <rjmccarty@live.com>
> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 00:18:28 +0000
>
> In a new install of Windows 10, every 10 seconds the bell rings in Emacs,=
 and the message "<noname> is
> undefined" is printed. It only happens when focus is on the Emacs window.=
 This makes Emacs completely
> unusable.

This is produced if Emacs receives the 'noname' (VK_NONAME) pseudo-key
key-press event from Windows.  It sounds like DishAnywhere and
SlingPlayer are sending these pseudo-keys to make sure the system
doesn't go to sleep when these applications are active.

Does typing the below inside Emacs make the problem go away?

  M-: (define-key global-map [noname] 'ignore) RET

> This is not a new thing - I have seen it before on Vista, Win 7, and anot=
her Windows 10 system. I've never
> been able to figure out what is going on - instead I've just installed XE=
macs and used that.

If you see this since Vista, it would mean you are aware of the
problem for at least 10 years, maybe longer.  I can only say it's a
pity you didn't report this earlier.  Please in the future try to
report problems with smaller delays, thanks in advance.

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Thanks! You were correct. I found I also had to disable the modifier key co=
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UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMac=
SystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; background-colo=
r: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important">(define-key global-map [=
C-noname]
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eb (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMacSyst=
emFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; background-color: r=
gb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important">&nbsp;
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UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, -apple-system, BlinkMac=
SystemFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; background-colo=
r: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important">(define-key global-map [=
M-noname]
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emFont, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, sans-serif; background-color: r=
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&quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Web (West European)&quot;, &quot;Segoe=
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quot;, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !i=
mportant"><br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px;">Your input that I sho=
uld have reported this earlier is well taken - then perhaps Emacs could hav=
e been updated long ago to simply ignore these nonname pseudo keys by defau=
lt or a workaround documented.</span></div>
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<div style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px;">Again,&nbsp;<span id=
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<div style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px;">Rick</span></div>
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<div style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px;">Rick McCarty</span></=
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Eli Zaretskii &lt;eli=
z@gnu.org&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 4, 2019 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rick McCarty<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 36083@debbugs.gnu.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: bug#36083: 26.2; Bell every 10 seconds with message &qu=
ot;&lt;noname&gt; is undefined&quot;</font>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">&gt; From: Rick McCarty &lt;rjmccarty@live.com&gt;=
<br>
&gt; Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 00:18:28 &#43;0000<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In a new install of Windows 10, every 10 seconds the bell rings in Ema=
cs, and the message &quot;&lt;noname&gt; is<br>
&gt; undefined&quot; is printed. It only happens when focus is on the Emacs=
 window. This makes Emacs completely<br>
&gt; unusable.<br>
<br>
This is produced if Emacs receives the 'noname' (VK_NONAME) pseudo-key<br>
key-press event from Windows.&nbsp; It sounds like DishAnywhere and<br>
SlingPlayer are sending these pseudo-keys to make sure the system<br>
doesn't go to sleep when these applications are active.<br>
<br>
Does typing the below inside Emacs make the problem go away?<br>
<br>
&nbsp; M-: (define-key global-map [noname] 'ignore) RET<br>
<br>
&gt; This is not a new thing - I have seen it before on Vista, Win 7, and a=
nother Windows 10 system. I've never<br>
&gt; been able to figure out what is going on - instead I've just installed=
 XEmacs and used that.<br>
<br>
If you see this since Vista, it would mean you are aware of the<br>
problem for at least 10 years, maybe longer.&nbsp; I can only say it's a<br=
>
pity you didn't report this earlier.&nbsp; Please in the future try to<br>
report problems with smaller delays, thanks in advance.<br>
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