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Could > > you point to the message(s) you're referring to? > > A URL would be good. >=20 > Strange, I have a message in the archive from 24 Sep, > but it doesn't exist on the thread that you posted. Could you please post the URL to that message, whatever thread it might be in? > > More importantly, `<' and `>' going to the first > > and last file, respectively, has nothing to do with > > wraparound. So if that's what you suggested or > > implemented, it's something else entirely. >=20 > I suggested to use TAB that goes to the next file > and wraps around at boundaries. Then '>' could be > reused to go to the last file. I see. Apparently I didn't see or notice your suggestion. > Maybe then like there is a user option `ls-lisp-dirs-first' > for ls-lisp.el, a similar option should be added to dired as well, > so users won't need to manually add "--group-directories-first" > to `dired-listing-switches'. Do you agree? That's kinda outside the scope of this bug thread. But yes, FWIW I agree: I think such an option would make sense. (Not that my opinion would make any difference.) Probably `ls-lisp-dirs-first' should take precedence, however, as someone might well want dirs-first only on MS Windows (or more generally, when `ls-lisp.el' is loaded).