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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: "9300@debbugs.gnu.org" <9300@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:49:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488F41699C5C0AC6E23CF57F3FD9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877d79movt.fsf@gnus.org>

> So I think the conclusion here is that we don't want to change the
> behaviour, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.


This is extremely unfortunate.  Quite misguided.

This completely misunderstands and misses the
point of `thingatpt.el' - in particular of
`bounds-of-thing-at-point'.

The point is NOT simply to try to obtain a
thing (and its bounds) _near_ point.

The aims and use cases (there are two) are:

1. To find out _whether there is_, in fact,
   a THING at point.

   AT POINT - not point OR (point - 1).

2. IF there really is a THING at point, to
   return it (or its bounds).

This bug is about the misguided behavior that
returns the THING at (point - 1) instead of
returning nil, when there's NO THING at point.

This bug renders thingatpt.el useless for any
functionality that needs to know _whether_
there's a THING at point.  And that means a
loss of lots of use cases - down the drain.

The miscoding is motivated by an expectation
that the only thing anyone ever wants to use
thingatpt.el for is to get a THING near point
for use as a default value for reading input.

That's the least useful application of thing
at point.  (It's a common one, admittedly.)
___

It's possible to define other functions that
do have as their only aim to return a THING
that's NEAR point.

As mentioned in the bug thread, it's not hard
to do that , and even to let callers specify
a tolerance that defines NEAR.  Such a function
is really what should be used to get some
default text for reading minibuffer input.
(I've offered this - code.)

But a get-some-THING-near-point functionality
doesn't in any way _replace_ the need for aims
1 and 2 of the thingatpt.el design.  The code
is corrupted, resulting in loss of the raison
d'etre for thingatpt.el.

A new low for Emacs.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-28 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<B1052724B2D446C59E233FC1BD437723@us.oracle.com>
2015-07-29  1:44 ` bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING Drew Adams
2016-01-15 13:33   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23  1:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-23  6:37       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-23  7:59         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-02-23 10:22         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-23 16:15           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-24  0:52             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-24  1:31               ` Drew Adams
2016-02-26  1:03                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-26  1:44                   ` Drew Adams
2016-02-26 10:15                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-26 14:39                       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-26 15:25                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-02-26 17:00                           ` Drew Adams
2022-04-28 11:24       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-28 15:49         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-08-14 22:36 Drew Adams
2016-06-20  9:21 ` Tino Calancha
2016-06-20 12:53   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-20 13:11     ` Tino Calancha
2016-06-20 14:48   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21  3:01     ` Tino Calancha
     [not found]   ` <<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-06-20 17:50     ` Drew Adams
2016-06-20 18:38       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-20 20:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21  6:14         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-21 12:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 13:07             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-06-21 15:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 13:31             ` Drew Adams
2016-06-21 15:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-21 13:25           ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <<<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <<0e2c9c67-12a2-4712-92d2-e3c204f46838@default>
     [not found]       ` <<83twgn7hjx.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-06-20 23:34         ` Drew Adams
2016-06-20 23:59           ` Noam Postavsky
2016-06-21  0:47             ` Drew Adams

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