From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21634: [External] : bug#21634: text-scale-adjust suggestion Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:15:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <22035.47283.76000.848103@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83d1wsxcuz.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgstyl9e.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <871r65ab7q.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87czpou8z7.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmtntcl5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87fsuikszt.fsf@gnus.org> <87eea1hhzc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40786"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Barzilay , "21634@debbugs.gnu.org" <21634@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Juri Linkov , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 00:16:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMuS-000AMq-E4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 00:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMuR-0001g2-2L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMuJ-0001eu-3o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43124) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMuI-0003JT-Si for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMuI-0000RC-Kx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 22:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21634 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 21634-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21634.16309665411630 (code B ref 21634); Mon, 06 Sep 2021 22:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21634) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2021 22:15:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54666 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMtx-0000QC-0U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com ([205.220.177.32]:40122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNMtv-0000Q4-Bf for 21634@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (m0246632.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 186GptcL009960; Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:15:38 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2021-07-09; bh=zb1Q5zeYW2YK3TwxdxijX9fVR0ZPduiumm7yJmwuxQU=; b=G3OZfTGXEQEU4VfbPjk11OaiG7TZrGBdgzdP/zLzGrcnmP5wzBC61Hi14DnScBZSZBFn R0lwPrsSgBvBdtB+ECCQtZB2M9YZ3LlJ751Jz4eA7HgJCqrZVBXfODxXtELPqqSoTnoX 5sB7hxF1ShcZqE2Io/uSP/TPzGuL43tUlOFxFQsirOkXN8E6TfaK7628kGQugtP9/dW0 Ov/JjG62v83acDDyIKhxkrFDq0JvHiBR22fWEZNPrPA0EX62+ssBHq+YTK27p3TtSUek whmZh79Yt9XSlJ1GAMHtqsDRgGXCc3M90h3Hv2N1RC6CP3i/rnZ0MRu+cwKT2yJOFVEv Zg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=zb1Q5zeYW2YK3TwxdxijX9fVR0ZPduiumm7yJmwuxQU=; b=IvhGX70TmvQKaMiWS3Mwff51dpawUAi2gDhZz/dYZvYpJD+QQuYymmoJ8ZBbGVks2hRv f2fMtdGZOLVZ2/4YaiG8T2Ro4RI37qdf/lWfgwIqTWGmBREiFL33BmutEMnGEBhTEtPx 52sJK9LLYvtdD0MFyzD+qOm8rxho8Id1Crkmusbs3JmL70xf8XX0uzeepGI7BICF0+17 4C8kpg0adcC0gocXhkZ1ed1f1LAFMNJfo08RhTHLbrEuPbkbDBVe6cPGxtqN8FCYg34b PaFCJCeFBfiSAASVvsylmlmFknDZtTbuR1wYmw1Jo7lM8sWCjLo4xkBVkOJsj3bg0WZG GA== Original-Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 3awpvn89bk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 06 Sep 2021 22:15:38 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 186M5vvK173822; Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:15:37 GMT Original-Received: from nam11-dm6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm6nam11lp2171.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.57.171]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3av0m3np70-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 06 Sep 2021 22:15:37 +0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=d2X98E9yAMexDHqc2xxKiV19pdTRL1JOFS8GX6a5vdp8e8eGxrU0DFlp/lEZhq2DPWwYy3nzy5qKPCBoMS8Kkg7yLUzYK6qtdyrsv2hn6kxWOeoA11tAYqbUqWjn0is8I9JKSm4/5JLLdOJSH3yEcdtwK/FWkLXpqBBR/vzX0gMCKx/tQ0PlqEtpn1WllmkoGTXTgzJJNDtKj/IpUoOvDyBkYiMFoelMH8i0X+G/CmfA8zEPxd52Z3flH+wb7haL/5aTfkukL+t1LwTQ55yP5CT4aEni1JucfpbbQUr/WKk77NHa2wITmX236UodgkoFMtLOTHFmS56stBNWtrTB+Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=zb1Q5zeYW2YK3TwxdxijX9fVR0ZPduiumm7yJmwuxQU=; b=hLpRFhVlyOQun5Ts4e3ZTW5elgVJz5leTMnpVCJip36t+kq7g4ZYW+g+RqL0jw42xFv4kQXmgvw4Ma96rcDkqa7WlmTwzQ3Xwwbv4LpYdCWjadueKm0YKw0WDxzbKOWtE8hfYW/GEXrAyt5sWiffYTYk+l6vZhzm5XvqKl4awuJL/OR0a59owsyV7iZerpL6qZUX7XAsO950YamiFbYxprRzjrRjgg16N5NPmkoBK79KpwLJHsKpGGqxmnVK3oIG0GtvqA9y6tn5BAXgzArOhq1TOf1u7oXzJOgQBqoB9HAWYFbO8ZTBznwEWVUERY0aiLJ5J4aJWxc82o55DAto1g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=oracle.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=oracle.com; dkim=pass header.d=oracle.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-oracle-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=zb1Q5zeYW2YK3TwxdxijX9fVR0ZPduiumm7yJmwuxQU=; b=EstCEOydeeORPKX/HBnqMn5QU7u/l0RkDfNc/j4BNlY2YBevT9n7X7qO7IkHScfV/bO1v+LQwpy6f7PbhGA+vbREz11G/r0Ky3WLY16Fv30yg7SPmgtzaNALXtU4vhZAT1keGFQKS5KwCg5nEyyNItmcpqsTjF+g/jj8Zik74b8= Original-Received: from SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:37e::19) by BYAPR10MB2757.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a02:aa::32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.4478.19; Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:15:34 +0000 Original-Received: from SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c0bc:7c3a:292f:8a82]) by SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c0bc:7c3a:292f:8a82%8]) with mapi id 15.20.4478.025; Mon, 6 Sep 2021 22:15:34 +0000 Thread-Topic: [External] : bug#21634: text-scale-adjust suggestion Thread-Index: AQHXozXkdHGeNl59/kOKKjdYYzC/06uXkaKQ In-Reply-To: <87eea1hhzc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: linkov.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;linkov.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=oracle.com; x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: a88b18c1-b640-4a20-a679-08d97183d8f8 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR10MB2757: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:7691; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(366004)(136003)(376002)(39860400002)(346002)(396003)(2906002)(8676002)(316002)(7696005)(5660300002)(38070700005)(186003)(4744005)(86362001)(6506007)(66446008)(4326008)(8936002)(55016002)(122000001)(64756008)(76116006)(66476007)(66556008)(9686003)(478600001)(33656002)(66946007)(38100700002)(110136005)(44832011)(54906003)(52536014)(71200400001)(26005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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 b2fTabZRWc9LQJkke+A/G5aiI/dZs3scNs6i8YE3POpp6SPFepoLgYaYjSIgvUwOgn+8vcHuWieWc5X5Pg84zNyJsx1oySHkuS x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a88b18c1-b640-4a20-a679-08d97183d8f8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Sep 2021 22:15:34.3448 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: XFRquKHzZheDuYgpyZLZTF8vlW/3wwn3Q6ZXX0qubCJu/Lub2pk0Jch/Wxi5kn31aPLCbSlOPKIH/GqA4/KtpA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB2757 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10099 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2108310000 definitions=main-2109060140 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: Fu8JAay-JtLtE5N515RtowKFKZxUaJWR X-Proofpoint-GUID: Fu8JAay-JtLtE5N515RtowKFKZxUaJWR X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213643 Archived-At: > Another command that could use it as well is 'indent-rigidly'. > Currently it's too inconvenient to type C-g to get out of it. > Exiting after a delay would be a better option. Not that I care much about this particular fiddling, but IMHO, `C-g' to "get out of" what is essentially a modal, or near-modal interaction, is emacsy and makes perfect sense. Having a time-out "get out of" such contexts seems to me quite wrong & unfriendly. (Again though, not much concern on my part, for quitting this command's repeating behavior.) Timers do things silently, at moments users are often not aware of. And users certainly don't want to _wait_ for a timer as the way to initiate or terminate some action. At a minimum there should be a way to quit on demand (i.e. do it now!).