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Thanks. > (These macros all have unfortunate names -- they sound much more general > than they are, like variations on `with-temp-buffer', but have much more > specific use cases.) Agreed. Hysterical raisins. See this: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D16038#113, which in turn points to bugs 8368, 17109, 17397, 17146 (and 16038)