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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:242913 Archived-At: The doc string seems to suggest that the option, or its use, somehow depends on X resources: ... If you want the initial frame to have the proper geometry as soon as it appears, you need to use this three-step process: * Specify X resources to give the geometry you want. * Set 'default-frame-alist' to override these options so that they don't affect subsequent frames. * Set 'initial-frame-alist' in a way that matches the X resources, to override what you put in 'default-frame-alist'. That text is not introduced by anything saying, e.g., IF you are using X resources or by saying that this 3-step process is applicable only if you can use X resources. At least some of it doesn't make sense without X resources, AFAIK. The coverage in the Emacs and Elisp manuals seems OK - doesn't present this problem/confusion. 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