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It's up to someone arguing for a change to Emacs to make an argument in support of that proposal. Please make an argument for Emacs to sacrifice those specific keys to default bindings. Users have always been able to bind any keys. That in itself is obviously not an argument for binding any particular key by default. And if you were to suppose it were, then it would be an argument for binding _any_ and _all_ keys by default. You need to present arguments in favor of binding these keys by default to those specific commands. The burden of argument/proof/convincing is on whoever is proposing a change. Just "Why not?" doesn't cut the mustard.