From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
"69533@debbugs.gnu.org" <69533@debbugs.gnu.org>
Cc: "rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#69533: 30.0.50; Wrong byte compilation of a certain apply syntax
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 03:39:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548873248FF132C7D8FB27A6F3232@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8734t6n4r5.fsf@web.de>
> | With a single argument, call the argument's
> | first element using the other elements as args.
> ...
> That sentence actually explains a special case:
> it tells that this is also allowed:
> (apply '(+ 1 2)) ==> 3
FWIW, I'm very surprised to find this "feature".
That it's documented suggests it was intended.
But I don't know why it would be. Does anyone?
What's the use case for not requiring the first
arg to be a function?
No Lisp that I'm aware of, starting with Lisp 1,
has ever supported such a feature - at least not
according to its doc.
Ccing RMS, who might know why, if this has been
in Elisp since Day One or it was added long ago.
___
Aha, I see now - found it. It was added in Emacs
28.1.
And this text was added then to the Elisp manual:
‘apply’ with a single argument is special:
the first element of the argument, which
must be a non-empty list, is called as a
function with the remaining elements as
individual arguments. Passing two or more
arguments will be faster.
And this additional example was added there:
(apply '(+ 3 4))
⇒ 7
But why? There's nothing in NEWS about this.
Was it even discussed? (Probably, but maybe
only in a bug thread?)
None of the rest of the text is changed -
just what I've mentioned here.
I don't understand why anyone considered it
a good idea to change the behavior of `apply'
(in this way or in any other way). What
gives?
"Special" is indeed one way to characterize
it. More like "shocking". ;-) What's next?
And this bug is about the behavior not even
faithfully reflecting that doc? Sheesh.
Was this done on April 1?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-04 3:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-04 1:51 bug#69533: 30.0.50; Wrong byte compilation of a certain apply syntax Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-04 3:39 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2024-03-04 4:40 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-04 15:52 ` Drew Adams
2024-03-04 5:13 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-04 7:46 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2024-03-04 8:10 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-04 8:47 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2024-03-04 8:17 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-04 8:48 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2024-03-04 9:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2024-03-04 12:52 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2024-03-04 13:13 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-04 13:25 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-04 21:12 ` Drew Adams
2024-03-14 7:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-14 8:44 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-14 11:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-14 11:18 ` Mattias Engdegård
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