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Ignore if irrelevant.) Does some of the "problem" figuring out what to do here perhaps come from the (misguided?) decision to name some faces (basic/common ones, no less) after particular face/font attributes, such as "bold"? Is it a good idea to have such faces? Maybe that's considered unavoidable, as these are so basic/common that their names can't really be based on any particular _use_ of the face? We could have an `emphasis' face, but face `italic' is apparently meant to really express/~hard-code "italic" appearance instead. Nevertheless, isn't this perhaps at the root of the problem - trying to decide how to deal with a face whose name shouts "bold" or "fixed pitch"? We've only got a few such appearance-name faces. We don't have a face called "ten-point", for instance. Do we really need/want to have _any_ such faces? (Abstracting from an already-sailed argument.) If such faces were named neutrally (e.g. `foo') would there still be a problem/discussion here? ____ As for grouping into families: is the intention to hard-code such groups or let users/code do the grouping? Is Stefan's idea to give users and code some control over this?