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It never should have been deprecated - quite unwise. Arguments against deprecation went unheeded/ignored. ___ The Icicles doc for `completing-read' has always said: If INITIAL-INPUT is non-nil, insert it in the minibuffer initially, with point positioned at the end. If it is (STRING . POSITION), the initial input is STRING, but point is placed at zero-indexed position POSITION in STRING. (This is different from `read-from-minibuffer' and related functions, which use one-indexing for POSITION.) INITIAL-INPUT is considered deprecated by vanilla Emacs, but not by Icicles. If INITIAL-INPUT is nil and DEF is non-nil, the user can use `next-history-element' to yank DEF into the minibuffer. ___ As for your `M-x' changes and the addition of `M-X': they too aren't positive, IMO, but I'll leave it to time and others for that to be realized. (I already mentioned better approaches in the "Smarter M-x" thread.)