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Can you explain > why you'd like to see this? Be able to use that mode-line for whatever info one wants. In particular, info that's relevant to the current state of the minibuffer. (And no, things like `minibuffer-message' are no substitute.) There are plenty of (standard, predefined) frame parameters that this or that user might never use or see used. I don't show the fringe or the tool bar, for example, and innumerable users don't show the menu-bar. =20 Why should users of a standalone minibuffer frame not be able to use this potential information area? You don't use a standalone minibuffer frame, I assume. Perhaps you don't understand the utility of that either. Why not take the word of someone who does use it and does understand its utility? Letting it be able to show a mode-line would increase its utility.