From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: [OT] Re: configure script Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:34:25 +0300 Organization: NetVision Israel Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <61D0BADD.74BBFB3A.B8B383E9@netscape.net> <200206081915.g58JFT128804@aztec.santafe.edu> <538dgukrilgffka0tdkddf7hdph4i9b5va@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1023968359 8108 127.0.0.1 (13 Jun 2002 11:39:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17ISwg-00026d-00 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:39:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17ISwa-0004kT-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:39:12 -0400 Original-Received: from chx400.switch.ch ([130.59.10.2]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17IStt-0004S2-00 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from news.netvision.net.il ([194.90.1.15] helo=news.) by chx400.switch.ch with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 17IStr-0001YB-00 for gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:36:23 +0200 Original-Received: by news. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19452; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:36:19 +0300 Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org Original-Path: is!eliz Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 41 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: is.elta.co.il Original-X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 1023968179 19450 199.203.121.2 (13 Jun 2002 11:36:19 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2002 11:36:19 GMT X-Sender: eliz@is In-Reply-To: Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:1996 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:1996 On 13 Jun 2002, David Kastrup wrote: > eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) writes: > > > On 12 Jun 2002, David Kastrup wrote: > > > > > The people involved in the GNU project don't get a say about this. > > > > And your opinions--are they based on some poll of the GNU contributors > > and maintainers? Or are they just _your_ personal views? > > My opinions are my own. Then all we have is a "he said, she said" argument. Richard has his views, you have yours. For all I know, most or all GNU maintainers could support Richard, not you. > I suggested to Stallman that he might come up with > a definition about who could be considered part of the GNU project, > so that it would be possible to do such a poll and thus clear up the > authority with which and for whom he was speaking. > > His answer was that nobody has a say in this rather than he as the > person that put up the GNU project, so such a poll would be pointless. If you really cared, you could start a poll yourself. > Stallman is, of course, entitled to his personal views, but I > would prefer if he labelled them as such. Richard is the leader of the GNU project, to say nothing of his personal contributions. He is also the president of the FSF, which works on the GNU project. If anyone is entitled to speak on behalf of GNU, Richard is. That doesn't necessarily mean you and I should agree with everything Richard says (you and others know how many times I disagreed with him on various issues), but swerving the argument to discussing whether he can or cannot say ``we'' is IMHO a waste of time. Likewise the accusations in hypocrisy: they are not useful in practical terms and terribly wrong factually.