From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: carlmarcos--- via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56171: Request for marking DEF entry when using completing-read Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:21:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: References: <87v8sqqu0y.fsf@gnus.org-N5K4ctK----2> <87a6a2nkwh.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_603838_1733902352.1656141718211" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "56171@debbugs.gnu.org" <56171@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 25 09:23:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o508f-00028P-QC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:23:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58608 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o508e-0004PX-8m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:23:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o508E-0004PM-1Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:23:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50152) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o508D-0005Hm-OF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:23:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o508D-0003Vn-Kp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:23:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56171 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 56171-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56171.165614172813422 (code B ref 56171); Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:23:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56171) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2022 07:22:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o507L-0003UQ-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:22:08 -0400 Original-Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:51696) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o507J-0003Tu-3E for 56171@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D37FA040C; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:21:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1656141718; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=mGlInmEIh9+1pKcGaulhCi1aJGJ2uDzp/r/x3AotsrA=; b=KD6Mvc71LNbcC36QVdcysH4+D6UO3HyaAlE6RO0fT8/Ri5FD0oYOL4U7s+O8dD8E fRB5UHaNBW/TxsrMqoixRDFCa9rYvPPzBejBTC30iJV9Q7lg4rpkkOCFwcYmki5yob1 TFt2PhfR3ZLvLOEYZbaK7LSI91/KfKjiltUikby3+xm6KX1tQNGw4klKOFojnARR/qw 0b0/TLPTAAiVAdm6h6Yu+Wqmd1aoHsAgx+qbTyZkWFpZqXLSuPSctpyygV9NtMhrPer W4bJeo23hs4CcFtsvQjiMTODuBa2Yu5+JpCzEfILJiiz47uwel6PlubGxZ+n06dVOCD MFKYMS7t+Q== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235235 Archived-At: ------=_Part_603838_1733902352.1656141718211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jun 24, 2022, 17:28 by drew.adams@oracle.com: >> Wouldn't one normally associate a default with >> some sensible setting worth looking into most times? >> Perhaps this could be a user setting. >> > > I see. So the use case is to be able to check what > the default value is, so you can try to understand > why it's considered particularly useful. > Correct > For that, I'd think that `M-n' suffices, to see > what the default value is (the first default value, > if there are several). > > Again, the default value need not even be one of > the choices (completion candidates), in the case of > lax completion (e.g. `C-x b'). I'd think that the > best way to find out what the default is would be > `M-n'. > If not one of the choices, then there will be no indicator on any entry in the collection.=C2=A0=20 I think it usually takes some time to discover the `M-n' way. > (Just one opinion, and I may still be missing something.) > It is just an observation.=C2=A0 Another way is to depend on the designer describing typical use if attentive enough to include that information. I think that the suggestion could make one's acquaintance with the package speedier if there are suggestions on well designed settings. ------=_Part_603838_1733902352.1656141718211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jun 24, 2022, 17:28 by drew.adams@oracle.com:
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Wouldn't one nor= mally associate a default with
some sensible setting worth lo= oking into most times?
Perhaps this could be a user setting.<= br>

I see. So the use case is to be = able to check what
the default value is, so you can try to un= derstand
why it's considered particularly useful.

Correct
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For that, I'd think that `M-n= ' suffices, to see
what the default value is (the first defau= lt value,
if there are several).

Again, the default value need not even be one of
the choices= (completion candidates), in the case of
lax completion (e.g.= `C-x b'). I'd think that the
best way to find out what the = default is would be
`M-n'.
If not one of the choices, then there will be no indicator on any
=
entry in the collection. 

I think it usually takes some time to= discover the `M-n' way.
(Just one opinion, and I may still be missing something.)
It is just an observation.  Another way i= s to depend on the designer
describing typical u= se if attentive enough to include that information.

I think that the suggestion could make one'= s acquaintance with the package
speedier if ther= e are suggestions on well designed settings.

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