From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45536: [PATCH] Pretty-print keys without <> around modifiers Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:59:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83sg7oidp6.fsf@gnu.org> <87sg7oosmx.fsf@gnus.org> <97ADE294-0674-4CAC-96B1-DAD947BA3A32@acm.org> <87im8ioan4.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32287"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 45536@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 31 11:00:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kuuke-0008FS-SJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:00:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kuukd-0008Nd-Pr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:00:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kuukV-0008MI-6b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41963) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kuukU-0005ns-Ub for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:00:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kuukU-0002B7-Si for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:00:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45536 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 45536-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45536.16094087948330 (code B ref 45536); Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45536) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2020 09:59:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53509 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kuukM-0002AI-Dd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 04:59:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail1435c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.35]:36002 helo=mail263c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kuukK-0002A4-Df for 45536@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 04:59:53 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1609408785; bh=YNlDEMqXnLQn9OtgZtIx0sJTWv+sffoTXez6OTkVPf8=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=qZUDRRFLhP6Fa+ZyniTmRtiNyU7NUSBVnZHTyBAMWs246clvmA7FBgC4EjSeh7HDT C728ZPpCoZjCtYnPm6ypnQwClGm9pgUuA9NwuhY5uKCjt1lfidQmCrWD+Ja2+kfoAY ktwxT9277k5pYNECY159WSCY5/noakJFPSVIXve4= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail263c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 0BV9xdiX004876; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 09:59:43 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87im8ioan4.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F27.5FEDA111.0018, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=foiim2wf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=OocQHUDgAAAA:8 a=8onWCLtbJCKAG9o9OjMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xUZTl98r3Qw_uB5NK3jt:22 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197079 Archived-At: 31 dec. 2020 kl. 05.35 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > The confusion problem is still present, though -- people will see > different ways of representing keystrokes (in examples on the web, > etc).=20 Let's not make a mole out of a molehill -- it will be all right. After = all, the change is for the better. Surely we must be able to correct past mistakes? Remember that this is not a new notation -- 'kbd' has always accepted = it, and I'm sure that .emacs files the world over contain instances of = it. The manual uses it a bit everywhere, and rightly so. I'm quite sure = that nobody ever got confused by it. Actually it makes sense to let the logical notation be the default, = doesn't it? There's no harm in trying it on master. > What's the specific use case? The NS port renders as the backspace symbol (etc), by = convention for that platform. This is done by string replacement and = won't work if the key is instead of M-. Of course we can add messy code to correct for this, but why do that = locally in the NS port for this specific purpose when everyone could = benefit from a clearer notation in the first place?