From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Wiesner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18077: 24.4.50; Info-quoted face should inherit default Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:04:22 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8761ipn711.fsf@lunaryorn.fritz.box> <9C6E94EB-5A94-49E6-BCE4-A08FCB6830A6@lunaryorn.com> <1D8FB3F1-0916-4C33-8C9D-A9C91774682D@lunaryorn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406491525 5843 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2014 20:05:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18077@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 22:05:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUh3-0006Mk-1W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 22:05:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36132 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUh2-00048k-4n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:05:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39854) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUgu-00045Z-9v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:05:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUgp-0008HH-DO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUgp-0008Ey-AG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUgo-00070U-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Sebastian Wiesner Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18077 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18077-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18077.140649147126887 (code B ref 18077); Sun, 27 Jul 2014 20:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2014 20:04:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUgI-0006zb-Dz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:04:30 -0400 Original-Received: from vega.uberspace.de ([95.143.172.245]:53576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XBUgF-0006zR-QW for 18077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:04:28 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 21400 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2014 20:04:25 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO ?IPv6:2001:a60:16d2:9d01:4181:e0a9:2031:d163?) (127.0.0.1) by vega.uberspace.de with SMTP; 27 Jul 2014 20:04:25 -0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91856 Archived-At: Am 27.07.2014 um 12:16 schrieb Stefan Monnier = : >> What expectations? >=20 > The expectations of someone reading online documentation. Most online > documentation I can find don't use bold, italics, or colors to > distinguish "technical elements" like those that usually appear in > Info-quoted face. Such documentation also uses proportional fonts for standard body text. = Now where=92s `Info-body` with =93Times New Roman=94, to match this = expectation as well? >> And if it=92s just *your* expectation and your preference, doesn=92t = it belong >> into your personal "init.el" then? >=20 > I indeed have a different personal setting for Info-quoted in my = .emacs, > but I wouldn't want to push this as the default. >=20 >> Oh, well, they are of quite some importance, since they happen to >> demonstrate what this is all about: That courier is not consistently = of >> good quality, and can be a very poor font on some systems. >=20 > No need for a screenshot to convince me of that, then. > When I say "concrete case" I don't mean "please try to construct > a situation where this happen" (I can usually do it myself), but = rather > "did someone involuntarily bump into this in his everyday use of = Emacs?=93. I did not specifically =93construct=94 any situation where this issue = appears. I have better uses for my time than trying to provoke random = issues ;) I involuntary bumped into this, when after a rebuild of Emacs = trunk I realized that all quoted text in Info had suddenly become quite = ugly. The screenshots should just demonstrate the issue, and show in how far = =84Courier=93 can be expected to have good quote characters, as Eli = demanded in his reply. >>> Have you looked at whether or not face-font-family-alternatives = would >>> provide a good fix? >> I=92m not sure whether I can follow. I mean, I could add an = arbitrary =93good=94 >> font as alias for "courier" myself, but then I could just customize = the >> "Info-quoted" face right away (which is what I=92m doing currently). >=20 > On those systems that have a bad "courier" font (probably > bitmapped), do they usually have another font that looks good and is = almost > identical (but obviously under a different name)? How am I supposed to know what fonts are available on arbitrary systems? = I can only say that on my Linux system there are various other fonts = available. Liberation Mono would probably be the one that is closest to = Courier. But whether that font is widely installed, I do not know. As I said, = font configuration and availability on Linux greatly various between = distributions and individual setups. There is no general set of fonts = to rely upon on Linux beyond generic names (e.g. =84Serif=93, = =84Monospace=93, =84Sans=93, etc.)=