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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g21-20020ac85815000000b002e06e2623a7sm6755084qtg.0.2022.04.17.15.03.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:03:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lew33kb0.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:230136 Archived-At: So back to this: > On Apr 17, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Robert Pluim wrote: >=20 > Eli> No, that wouldn't be right. We introduced the special 'emoji' > Eli> pseudo-script in Emacs 28 to solve the problems of being = unable to > Eli> distinguish between Emoji codepoints and the other symbols and > Eli> punctuation. We definitely do NOT want to use an Emoji font = for > Eli> symbols and punctuation characters and character sequences = that aren't > Eli> Emoji. Moreover, configuring the fontset to use some font for = the > Eli> 'symbol' pseudo-script by default doesn't do what you expect, = because > Eli> Emacs uses the default font for symbols for which the default = font has > Eli> a glyph. >=20 > Modulo `use-default-font-for-symbols' >=20 > Eli> So I think the recipe in NEWS is correct, and your = expectations were > Eli> inconsistent with the Emacs support for Emoji, at least with = its state > Eli> in Emacs 28.1. >=20 > I=CA=BCm not sure what we could change. I guess we could add a > configuration variable that says 'treat every code point that has a > default text presentation and an emoji one as emoji', except we > already have that: VARIATION SELECTOR 16 Yes, I think I would like a configuration variable like that. It's = seems like a good application of the Robustness Principle. =20 I also thought perhaps there should be another "script" parallel to = 'emoji that included these so I could something like (set-fontset-font t 'emoji-vs '("Apple Color Emoji" . "iso10646-1") nil = 'prepend) but now I suspect that's not really the right way? Or is it? Howard=