From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8368: 24.0.50; "temp" means "help" - rename or at least document Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1315769095 1267 80.91.229.12 (11 Sep 2011 19:24:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8368@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 11 21:24:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2pe5-0007bT-Sg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:24:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36212 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2pe5-00015X-91 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2pe2-00014v-FA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:24:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2pe1-0006gT-2C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:24:46 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R2pe1-0006gN-0d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:24:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2pi9-0003JZ-RY; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:29:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8368 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8368-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8368.131576931612709 (code B ref 8368); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8368) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2011 19:28:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2phj-0003Iw-Eq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R2phh-0003Ip-LI for 8368@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet22.oracle.com (rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p8BJODXJ023965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:24:15 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8BJOBPB014743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:24:12 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8BJO6mH011092; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:24:06 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.62.110) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:24:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acxws/KwfqndIOD7Qou/+wABaUS3nAAA9W0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4E6D0ADF.00AF,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:29:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:50973 Archived-At: > If `help-mode' is the correct mode for these buffers, then I think > `with-output-to-temp-buffer' should be documented to put the buffer in > help mode, and it should be done explicitly in the code -- > not by having help.el alter `temp-buffer-setup-hook' when help.el > is loaded. See the original bug report. There I stated that (a) it should at least be documented, (b) the macros should preferably be renamed (using `-help-', not `-temp'), and this (c): "And after renaming functions/macros that way, I think it would be good to have real temporary-buffer facilities - a real `with-output-to-temp-buffer' (but we would need to pick a new name, to avoid confusion), one that does not imply using `help-mode' etc. The point of the last part is that there is a need for creating and using temporary buffers. That should never have been co-opted for help, but now that it is we should fix it properly: (a) call a spade a spade and (b) create new macros for really dealing with temporary buffers.