From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9794: 24.0.90; `format-time-string' no good for %Z Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:29:48 -0700 Message-ID: References: <68A313A7DDAA4912A255DAFE495606F9@us.oracle.com> <24FDB65B0E784E978085D30A7CBF9FAF@us.oracle.com> <8362jlv0rq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319034673 23265 80.91.229.12 (19 Oct 2011 14:31:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9794@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 19 16:31:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAi-0006Q3-VI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:31:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46865 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAi-0001vQ-AV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:31:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51813) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAf-0001v3-8f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAY-0007I8-UE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:31:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAY-0007I2-QU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXBZ-0002wm-Jx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:32:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9794 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9794-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9794.131903466411262 (code B ref 9794); Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2011 14:31:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAd-0002vb-Cu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGXAa-0002ux-Gs for 9794@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p9JETnIv010166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:29:51 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9JEHfh7019753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:17:42 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt106.oracle.com (abhmt106.oracle.com [141.146.116.58]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p9JETh3t002509; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:29:43 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.26) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:29:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <8362jlv0rq.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: AcyOOcxf3zBsSYi9TjWZDXHdM6G9yAALuY9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4E9EDEDF.010E,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:32:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52854 Archived-At: > > And just because a non-Windows developer thinks that letting them > > see "(Pacific Daylight Time)" is not useful to them and "()" is more > > meaningful. Sheesh. > > No, it's because a _Windows_ developer found out that the Windows > time-zone names violate international standards for what %Z should > produce, which breaks other Emacs features that use the results. No. There is nothing to prevent Emacs from DTRT and providing _both_ the Windows time-zone info and POSIX-standard info, using separate formatting codes. Read the #641 thread. Nothing in the GNU charter/mission/philosophy requires Emacs to _limit_ itself to POSIX compliance. Providing a POSIX-compliant time-zone formatting code is one thing - a good thing, no doubt. Not providing other available, non-POSIX time-zone information that can be useful to users is another thing - a sorry mistake.