From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3408: customize-face not working: seems to apply to frame-face Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:40:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87eiu9rfpb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Reply-To: Drew Adams , 3408@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243527411 19088 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2009 16:16:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:16:51 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Chong Yidong'" , <3408@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>, "'David Reitter'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 28 18:16:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9iHY-0002TP-Tz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:16:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49005 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9iHX-0000ai-58 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:16:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9iAc-0003Lb-B9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9iAV-0003Ih-ET for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37809 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9iAV-0003Id-BL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:40530) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9iAT-000623-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n4SG9CO3007424; Thu, 28 May 2009 09:09:13 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4SFo9n9004237; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:50:09 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:50:08 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3408 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 3408-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3408.12435252463087 (code B ref 3408); Thu, 28 May 2009 15:50:08 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3408) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 May 2009 15:40:46 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com (acsinet11.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n4SFehIh003071 for <3408@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:40:44 -0700 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4SFfEri011669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 May 2009 15:41:15 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt009.oracle.com (abhmt009.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4SFfOUM001356; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:41:24 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:40:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87eiu9rfpb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Thread-Index: AcnfUqCCQZCQTk3+SfK7zAjn5KQjLwAUpS2g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt009.oracle.com [141.146.116.18] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4A1EB072.0184:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:28 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:28264 Archived-At: > > Emacs -Q > > (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height 130 :family > > "Lucida Grande") (customize-face 'default) > > (make-frame-command) ;; C-x 5 2 > > > > The same thing works as I would expect in Emacs 22. I > > would generally assume that `customize-face' applies to > > faces in future frames as well. > > Mixing set-face-attribute and Customize is a bad idea in general. It *should not* be a bad idea - or, put as a question, why *should* it be a bad idea? Logically, where is the problem? If the implementation is inadequate, that's another matter, but where is the problem *logically*? And what was wrong with the Emacs 22 behavior (implementation)? If some feature was added for Emacs 23 that broke that behavior, and then you say that things are too complex to use both `set-face-attribute' and Customize, then back out that misguided feature until things can be done right. Things seemed to be fine, before. Adding some feature, no matter how worthy (multi-tty, Unicode), should not be an excuse for breaking existing behavior, as if that were somehow inevitable collateral damage.