From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8569: 24.0.50; overlay arrow Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1304014023 19793 80.91.229.12 (28 Apr 2011 18:07:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8569@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 28 20:06:58 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVc9-0001Md-5X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:06:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVc8-00087a-Hg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:06:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41321) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVc4-00084r-WE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:06:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVc4-0002cd-4D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVc4-0002cZ-2q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVPe-0007Fy-1L; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:54:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8569 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8569-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8569.130401320827850 (code B ref 8569); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2011 17:53:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVP5-0007F8-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:53:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVP4-0007Ey-9K for 8569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:53:26 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p3SHrInC002033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:53:20 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p3SHrHui025556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:53:17 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com (abhmt002.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p3SHrG4Z007112; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:53:17 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:53:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83zkna6zlm.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Thread-Index: AcwFy9ECDIg7vm0XQ8aVJIPoJqC2VAAAPDXg X-Source-IP: acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4DB9A990.00AF:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:54:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:46066 Archived-At: > > The overlay arrow is not something used all over the place > > in Emacs code and doc. We should change the name now to > > avoid this confusion. > > I'm afraid it's way too late. Most of these variables (the first two) > exist since 1988, when this feature was first introduced into Emacs. > Of course, back then we didn't have the fringes, so the arrow was > displayed like it is now on text terminals (try "emacs -nw"). I'm well aware that it was introduced in the 80s. I used it back then. It should have been renamed when overlays were introduced, but it wasn't. It should be renamed now. It is not used that much, and the renaming would not have much, if any, negative impact.