From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#965: 23.0.60; filesets doc Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <000001c91486$11e281c0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><001e01c914a0$ef485e30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><003001c914fb$4758d280$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310057669 3602 80.91.229.12 (7 Jul 2011 16:54:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 965@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 18:54:25 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QerqF-0005S9-Vt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:54:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47262 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QerqE-0001eW-G8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QercW-0005eg-Ch for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:40:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QercS-0005hH-Lv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QercS-0005h9-Bx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QercR-0003es-BR; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:40:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 965 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 965-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B965.131005675913955 (code B ref 965); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:40:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 16:39:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qerbi-0003d2-R1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qerbg-0003co-Qv for 965@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:39:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p67Gd88n009678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:39:10 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p67Gd7I2011830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:39:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p67Gd2Hq019406; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:39:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw8wo1eAqKb64pJTzmUK//mdK+aygAAKuVw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4E15E12E.0116:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:40:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:48173 Archived-At: > > I don't feel strongly about it, but why not handle that in > > the obvious way: Give XEmacs users the option, and don't > > give GNU Emacs users the option (since they don't really > > have an option anyway)? > > (when (featurep 'xemacs) (defcustom...)) > > Having the `defcustom' forms not be top-level has other negative > effects, like etags not working. And you wouldn't be able to > share .elc files... if that's still possible. > > So I don't think this is worth doing anything about, so I'm > closing the report. Whoa!? Wait a minute. This bug is 99.999% about things other than that defcustom. This bug is about the filesets _doc_ - see the Subject line, and please read the rest of the thread. You replied only to the (afterthought) comment I made about the defcustom, so I replied to you only about that. But that is _not_ what this bug is really about. [Wrt that defcustom: At the very least we should add to its doc string that it _has no effect if you are not using XEmacs_. We should not be giving GNU Emacs users the impression that they have an option here. And I'm not sure you wouldn't be able to share .elc. Are you sure that the `when' itself won't be present (compiled) in the .elc? IOW, are you sure that if compiled with GNU Emacs you couldn't load the .elc in XEmacs and get the option?]