From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13219: 24.3.50; missing `...' in Emacs manual Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:31:57 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87k3sbhloq.fsf@gnu.org><4D17A9193B6E4B82A8F138631D887384@us.oracle.com><83fw2zn4if.fsf@gnu.org> <87bodn8h6r.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356111189 31323 80.91.229.3 (21 Dec 2012 17:33:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13219@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@gnu.org To: "'Stephen Berman'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 21 18:33:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6TC-0003hM-KF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:33:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34856 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6Sy-0004GF-Qm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:33:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46700) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6Sr-00043v-QE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6Sm-0006cg-LD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:53 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44242) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6Sm-0006cW-Ip for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6T0-0001sn-8z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:33:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13219 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 13219-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13219.13561111417189 (code B ref 13219); Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13219) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2012 17:32:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6SK-0001rs-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:21 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:29412) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6SJ-0001ri-6U for 13219@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBLHW32O009784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:32:03 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBLHW278023205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:32:03 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBLHW2I2024626; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:32:02 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:32:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87bodn8h6r.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3fnhEzwG4pvWhhTbarh3j2UX2QCQAAVfiw X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68867 Archived-At: > Actually, the convention appears to be: enclose single keys > labels that are not single characters in angle brackets but > quote single keys labels that are single characters (as well > as labels of key sequences); Yes, and that inconsistency is unnecessary. My guess is that this double-standard convention was implemented/adopted due to a misunderstanding of what " " means in key-sequence notation. " " separates keys of the sequence, nothing more. It never denotes the space key, which `SPC' denotes in key sequence notation. `f 1' means the key sequence of hitting the `f' key followed by hitting the `1' key. `f1' means the single-key key sequence of hitting the `f1' key (a function key). `f SPC 1' means the key sequence of hitting `f' then `SPC then `1'. There is no good reason to have introduced two kinds of quoting (angle brackets and `...'). That is, there is no necessity for that. Function keys and keys such as `ESC' `DEL' are unambiguously denoted using only `...' syntax. And it is not too late to get rid of the kludge - or at least make it optional for those who are hooked on it.