From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> <83fryxcvhf.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5771"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 18 04:39:10 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJFG-0001J3-8a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 04:39:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJF9-0001RT-1L; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:39:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJF7-0001RA-Kj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:39:01 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJF6-0006u6-Rp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:39:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJF7-0005UU-TH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:39:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 68369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68369.170554908621044 (code B ref 68369); Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:39:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2024 03:38:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJEE-0005TK-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:38:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36006) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJEC-0005Ss-6n for 68369@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:38:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJE5-0006C4-0F; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=ormoA1+YaJrZwe7pe2cgsirAKSBE5oyjB36Nc05FWqM=; b=jiY3X2EtUCmc u1zNsD1B8yF5kzpTxgZGdQ3PfaLVAKJ2qDMsT0PUA7RiQRGR1AcFwxpFO6gFtAiASUHDP5I55SjWg V73k/SlJwfO+c6gYZgvnk0p50cfB8QiAlIdlnfgBOfj8xCD1nMV7DsfFmY1yi9Zr6LJSfkdNPeh/l KT4GOPIDDyJ7mNqvy3M7meM+KHdHSxNX74dn+LiD/jvyjlshcAnS7Qj3AeP9X3nkdKYsjORNQGH5C cAW9tIsgUM4DMpz2qNxPw8daGwBsHP+gxeLFmfs6PDY2vUHhLrwKudtCXAcLLKQ71UMuyLvRaDdGI NaIOwe+22AfnhgvO/dF3RQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJE4-0001ZK-L7; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83fryxcvhf.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 16 Jan 2024 14:29:16 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:278417 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It is not a matter of explanation -- rather, is there a way to > > modify the feature a tiny bit such that its meaning will be evident. > Sorry, I still don't think I follow. What kind of changes in the > feature you had in mind that would make its meaning evident? I don't have any specific ideas for that feature. I'm suggesting that other people look for interface ideas to make this more self-explanatory. Maybe we will find one. If not, well will still have the option of trying to explain it better. If we don't find one, we will still have the option of documenting it better. Our usual first response to any wish for an interface to be clearer is to write documentation, and for wishing for it to be more featureful, is to add optional features. However, I learned over the years that it was always good to try to design a feature to be more self-evident. When I tried this, sometimes I succeeded. The result was a simpler program which could do more without more options or more documentation. So it is always good to think for a while about ways to do that, before resorting to the less elegant approach. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)